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I'm not sure about Valkyrie being an original character. Wasn't her actress going on and on about how she wanted to show off that the character was bi cause she was bi in the comics?
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Nah, race swapping is fine. Doesn't matter 99% of the time and the priority is serving the story being told. Hire the best actor, don't worry about the color.
Doing it to meet a quota is another thing. Same with voice acting. This insinuation that people have to be the same color as the character they are portraying is ridiculous. |
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If you’re fan-casting in Wizard Magazine, I guess. The only thing they ever got right was Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier, who just happened to be bald and a great fit for the character.
Otherwise, casting based on appearance is a recipe for a crap movie. You can play around in the costume and makeup phase, if it’s fitting, but you don’t make someone’s physical appearance a priority unless you have to. Instead, you cast the best actor, who understands the character and the material. They won’t necessarily have the same skin color as the fictional character they are portraying. Like, imagine you have two actors audition for the James Gordon role, and you cast the one with the right skin color over the one with the superior acting ability - that’s dumb if you’re trying to make the best movie possible. Would it be nice to have the best actor, who also resembles the “correct” skin color? Sure, I guess. Still seems pretty trivial to me, in terms of being told a good story. If a character is strongly informed by their skin color, like Abe Lincoln, yes that matters. Most comic book characters? Not really. Last edited by AquaParade; 08-05-2022 at 07:33 PM. |
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And you're acting as a certain type of person just doesn't exist. There's a difference between 'we're looking for the best possible person for the role' and 'we're excluding white people right off the bat despite the person they're portraying white, we'll just make it sound like there just wasn't a white person suited for the role which is why we chose insert woke token here'. And hey, there's also the case of an unknown getting a big break because they just so happened to be the right person for the role. Or you know. Create your own original movie with your own original characters. No one can say this or that cause it's your original story and if your character is a black gay guy that goes by zir pronouns, that's how the character was from conception.
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I disagree that a character needs to perfectly resemble who they are based upon. It just depends on what you value in a story, but to me that's trivial.
I'm not acting as if a certain type of person doesn't exist, but yes you are narrowing your potential for finding talent if you limit your search to "white guy who can grow a good moustache!" For Gordon (sticking with this example). Of course, you can find a good white actor with a moustache, but that doesn't mean he's the best for the role or better than the guy next to him who happens to be black, Asian, etc. Again, its just trivial in the grand scheme of most stories, which is why I dont care. It simply matters not, beyond a superficial level in most cases. Exceptions exist of course. You're saying that if a character is race-swapped, you might as well not adapt the story at all? Agree to disagree. That sounds utterly boring and lame to me. I don't understand the need to adapt something 1:1, in the vein of Snyder's Watchmen or just not doing it at all. I just feel like it's a super unimaginative and dull way to look at adaptation. It's needlessly stubborn to the detriment of good storytelling. But that's just my opinion. |
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Agree to disagree I guess. But making a movie based on a pre-existing series and making everyone look as accurate as possible is far from 'boring'. You would (or should) be engrossed by the story, the themes, the action and overall bringing whatever fictional world to life. At the very least you're not distracted by seeing 'person in name only' and continuing to remind yourself that it's whoever it's supposed to be.
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Does Seth Rogen even like Turtles? Or is he like Kevin Smith with He-Man?
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I’m leaning toward the latter. I don’t recall him ever doing anything TMNT-related before this film.
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get a grip, seriously...
let the people enjoy the film. I know I will give it a fair go! |
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How can you boycott something that doesn't exist? Let's see the trailer first.
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I hope the turtles are not giants like in Bayturtles movies. More stealth and ninja scenes hopefully.
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And how do we know that the trailer won’t be misleading and that the movie won’t end up being hot garbage? At least I’ll be saving my money regardless of the outcome.
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And less toilet humor.
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Less toilet humor? From the guy behind Sausage Party?
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There is no reason to think there will be more stealth and ninja scenes in this and lots of reasons not to. But clearly they won't be giants. They're going to be "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" proportions, looks like.
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But it’s not because he is white and has a moustache. It’s because he is a great actor with a great script and director to work with. If Gary Oldman was black, it wouldn’t make the role any worse, imo. And if that prevented Gary Oldman from getting the role, it’d be a damn shame. I guess it’s cool that he also looks like he is from the comics but that’s just not what makes his performance great in any way. It’s fine to make things as accurate as possible, until it becomes a detriment. That’s why I take some contention when the look of the actor is treated with such high priority. Then you’re placing accuracy above quality. You’re not always going to get the best of all worlds just because TDK did with Gary Oldman. Sometimes you have to make a choice and bet on the best actor available to you. Last edited by AquaParade; 08-07-2022 at 07:01 AM. |
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…good point.
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Look how well he did with Green Hornet.
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The movie might be great. But on it's own merits, Rogen doesn't exactly have a career littered with great films. So there's a preference factor there. Rogen also has a history of loud-mouthing and onboarding like a coward with extreme leftist rhetoric. So there's a moralistic component there to deciding whether or not to pay him. The thread itself is a bit obtuse, but it is valid conversation. |
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