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I'll be fine with it as long as it's their decision and stand by them | 8 | 61.54% | |
I admit I'll be somewhat disappointed, but I will accept it | 2 | 15.38% | |
No, I'd rather not have gay/lesbian/trans kids and would want them to be staight | 3 | 23.08% | |
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12-06-2020, 09:05 PM | #41 | |
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12-06-2020, 09:33 PM | #42 |
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No, it's because that would be an incredibly long conversation with a lot of logical twists and turns, is why.
I mean, if Steve McMichael was a Horseman - and he was, for three entire years, way longer than anyone besides Flair, Arn, or Benoit - and Jeff Jarrett was about a thousand percent better than McMichael was, I don't see how he wasn't a Horseman. If Paul Roma was a Horseman, I think Jeff Jarrett would have to be. And yet, Arn said in his autobiography in no uncertain terms that he never claimed Jeff as a Horseman. And Flair initially said "Yes" but then since then has taken it back. They must REALLY hate Jeff Jarrett, I figure. But again, how do you claim "Mongo" with a straight face, but not Jarrett? I like Mongo, but as good as he was at football, he was just as bad at wrestling. It's Flair and Arn's stable, so I respect their opinion, but their criteria for membership seems incredibly arbitrary as relates to the case of "Double J". I mean, he won the United States Championship during his "unofficial/official" membership in the Horsemen, and that version of the group didn't win many Titles at all, so I think they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, personally. Once you factor in Curt Hennig's entire two-week tenure with the group before he turned on them to join the nWo, the whole thing gets even messier. And some people who were there say that Yes, Hennig was still a Horseman - even though he only joined them so that he could immediately betray them, which to ME makes his membership highly suspect to say the least. So again, if Hennig was a Horseman, even though he was admitted into the group under false pretense, then logically, Jarrett HAS to be a Horseman because he actually was sincere about wanting to be one. Like, what the f*ck, man? No, I'm not the first one to broach this topic. This is a debate that goes back nearly 25 years and we're no closer to getting a straight answer than we were back then. It's kind of frustrating. Mostly because on one hand it really should be as simple as asking Flair and Arn, but their answers frankly seem like total bullsh*t so it's hard to just accept what they say at face value. I told you... once it comes up, it's gonna be a long night. ---------------- As to your other comment: Obscure/dated references are MY gimmick, hoss. Granted, I stole it from Dennis Miller but it ain't like he's in any position to do a single goddamn thing about it. And if he wants to, he knows where I am. ......I quite enjoy Dennis Miller. Norm MacDonald, too. Kinda think I'm partial to Norm. He's so awful upfront he becomes good again on the back end. "After months of speculation, the sitcom star Ellen DeGeneres admitted that yes, she's gay. Inspired by her courage, today, diet-guru Richard Simmons admitted that he is really, really, really, really gay." ......Aaaaaaand we're back to topic. I knew I'd get us there eventually.
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12-06-2020, 10:25 PM | #43 |
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$hit, man, nobody wants to talk about parenting. Most of you fvckers aren't even parents in the first place.
Thoughts on Curly Joe deRita? Also, what about Emil Sitka? "Hold hands, you lovebirds!"
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12-06-2020, 11:19 PM | #44 |
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Not a parent but I’d have no problem with my kid being gay/lesbian/trans etc.
A lot of things have an influence growing up but when it comes down to it this is the way you were born. It’s something you definitely know the difference between. As you grow up you naturally form your own opinions, train of thought and how you feel towards others. A long time ago on a talk show they had this discussion and it was a debate between LGBT guests and a group who claimed it was a choice. I remember thinking if it’s a choice and you can turn on/off your attraction one way or the other that means everybody is at least bisexual. It’s so stupid. If it’s just a matter a picking one then both sides of attraction must already exist in your mind. Otherwise there would be nothing to choose.
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12-07-2020, 08:06 AM | #45 |
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I imagine FredwolfLeonardo voted the last option on the poll for religious reasons? Since I know it might be tradition related...get in here.
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12-07-2020, 08:59 AM | #46 |
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A while ago a gay girl in one of my classes asked me what I thought of homosexuals. I told her she could as well ask me what I thought of people from other countries and that I personally knew some very nice homosexuals but also some incredibly annoying ones. It's nothing to have a general opinion about. She seemed to be perfectly happy with that answer.
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12-07-2020, 04:39 PM | #47 |
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12-07-2020, 06:09 PM | #48 |
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Direct and to the point.
I know a few people who don't have any religious objection to it or anything, they just plain think it's gross regardless of who's doing it. Mostly the guy/guy thing, and I can kinda see that. Naked guys aren't very appetizing, after all, whereas naked chicks are amazing, generally-speaking. So when someone says to me, "I don't have any problem with girl-on-girl but I think two dudes is gross," I kinda get what they mean. I mean, sure, technically it's nobody's business what anyone else does, obviously. And nobody "forces" you to think about stuff. But sometimes you can't help it. Like for instance, I got this one good buddy, and he's straight (far as I know; he was married, now divorced, and they got a kid, so I'unno), but one day in a casual conversation, he just sorta casually mentioned that he's into giving/getting rimjobs. And it's like people can do whatever they wanna do, it's none'a my business unless they tell me about it... but holy sh*t, I wish he didn't tell me that. We don't talk about it, but every once in a while when I see him with his new girlfriend... well, you know how the human brain works. OH. And this guy I used to work with a long time ago, we were goofing around on our lunch break and this guy very casually mentioned that he liked having his wife peg him with a strap-on. And of course we're all ribbing him about it, I mean F*ck, man, YOU brought it up... and he's like "It's not gay if it's your wife, man". And sure, there's definitely a logic to that, absolutely! But I had to be like, "I'unno, dude... I think that makes you at least 10% more gay than I am, not for nothin'." After that, whenever his wife would come pick him up from work, we couldn't help but laugh. So yeah, I get it. Sure, whatever people do in private is absolutely nobody else's business. True. BUT. ...C'mon. Once you know something about a person, even if you're "not supposed to think about it"... kinda hard NOT to, depending on what it is, y'know?
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12-07-2020, 07:12 PM | #49 |
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12-07-2020, 07:30 PM | #50 |
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I've spent the last 15 years trying to figure out... IS it "gay" if it's your wife, or nah? I mean, we all picked on him, but f*ck, maybe he's right and we're wrong?
Like that has got to be the absolute grayest of Gray Areas. ..."Gay Areas". Or like sometimes in porn a chick will be BJ-ing two dudes, and she'll have them both in her mouth at the same time, and they touch. How "gay" is that, truthfully? Is that just "incidental contact" or completely "offsides"? You're still being orally-pleasured by a chick, after all, and it's not like YOU did that, SHE did that. Since it's porn, usually the chick is pretty hot. So assuming it's you in that situation, do you call "foul"? What if she decides you're a pussy and won't make with the f*ck, now? I mean it's not like she's rubbing them together trying to make a fire, but I've seen that happen, too, Because Porn. And it's like WHAT do you DO, y'know? I know most guys in porn are gay, so for them that kind of event is not a bug, it's a feature, but I'm speaking purely hypothetically. Say you and your buddy are about to wreck this super-hot chick for whatever reason and she pulls some sh*t like that outta nowhere. Do you Red Flag it, or shrug it off so you can still get some choch? And if it's the latter, are you now "gay", and if so, by what percent? Like seriously, nobody tackles the REALLY important questions.
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12-07-2020, 07:49 PM | #51 |
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12-07-2020, 08:06 PM | #52 |
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For FredWolfLeonardo? He originally just said "Yes" and /10char before he switched it to the cartoon.
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12-07-2020, 08:09 PM | #53 |
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I do think more religious people are still against homosexuality than others, but it is what it is. Kinda sad for people who *are* gay in really religious families though, because they usually get shunned/banned/disgraced from their family and they cut all ties with them. Nobody should be treated like that.
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12-07-2020, 08:29 PM | #54 |
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I don't think it makes you gay if you say, "Yeah sure, go ahead" but it probably falls into the... "there's probably something going on there" category.
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To be perfectly blunt, I don't honestly think anyone really has a problem with it because "God says so".
For one thing, "God" probably has much better things to worry about. At least one would hope/assume. The truth is - and again, I've had many people confess this to me in one-to-one conversation - they just plain think it's gross, and "Well, ALSO God says so" is a convenient justifier. I've known plenty of people where that's literally the ONLY part of their Bible or Dogma of choice that they've ever cited in their entire lives. They violate at least one of the 10 Commandments every single day, and often more than one, BUT, they still manage to place an awful lot of weight on "God Says No Homo", which last I checked was NOT one of the Big 10 but somehow is even more important. Trust me, for at least the vast majority of people who say "I'm against it because my religion says it's wrong," their religion could literally say "Stick your d*ck in anything from Pumpkins to Pencil Sharpeners, for all anyone cares, just don't touch little kids" and at that point they'd come right out and say, "Y'know what? I don't care. I just think it's disgusting for my own personal reasons." I kinda wish there WAS no religious stance on the subject whatsoever, so people would just plain say what they mean. People SAY, "I don't like it because God doesn't like it." But that's just code for "I personally think it's gross, but I found a wingman nobody can argue with. Sorry man, I don't make the rules, it's in The Book!" I won't speak for anyone here, mind you. For all I know, some of them might In Theory be okay with it if their God sent them a memo tomorrow saying it was officially All Good. But I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. Like, What if? Seriously. If God suddenly showed up in another burning bush or whatever and said out loud, "I actually don't have any problem at all with gay people, that was a huge mistranslation and what I actually said was 'The Yankees Eat Sh*t', I don't know what the mix-up is"... what then? Would all these people who cite religious grounds for their objection suddenly accuse God of "going soft"? Or would they just admit that it's their own hang-up and always was? OR, would they all just suddenly be okay with gay people because God told them to be? Frankly, if there's a God, I have to assume he has a problem with people blaming their own prejudices and whatnot on him, y'know? Kinda doubt it would make any difference. God could literally say, "Gay People are Just Fine" and it wouldn't make any difference in those people's thinking whatsoever. They just think it's gross, and "God" is a convenient excuse because "If you argue with God you're an asshole." But I kinda doubt he cares. Like, apparently in most religions, "God" even used to be okay with people f*cking kids, until very, very, very recently. But he's SUPER against gay people and always has been? Like God's alright with pederasty, in theory, but not "sodomy"? That can't be right. There absolutely has to be a page or two missing from that instruction manual. I kinda think people just up and change these "Rules" when it's convenient so that it better aligns with their own opinions on any given topic. Because some things just plain don't add up, I'm sorry. Personally... I think if there's a God, he's probably perfectly fine with gay people. Or at least lesbians. Because he apparently sees Everything, and NO sane guy would ever have a problem watching lesbians. Quote:
Like if they're gonna teach kids in school about this stuff, now, the LEAST they could do is print a comprehensive rulebook. That's all I'm sayin'.
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12-07-2020, 09:41 PM | #56 |
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I read a fascinating book of theology that deconstructed the SIX (yes, only SIX) verses in the entire Christian Bible that speak on the topic of homosexuality.
Compare that to the number of verses on religious hypocrisy, adultery, lying, murder, or stoning direspectful kids. https://www.amazon.com/UnClobber-Ret...s%2C229&sr=8-2 I personally found the work very compelling.
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12-07-2020, 09:49 PM | #57 |
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Never read it, sounds intriguing.
I'd consider reading it, but the wife never misses an opportunity to tell me I'm gay, and that one just seems like a "gimme".
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12-08-2020, 10:13 AM | #58 |
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As soon as I saw the the thread title, I knew this HAD to be a Cubed thread. It was almost a given.
On topic, pretty much a requirement that if my little "duckling" came out as gay/bi/etc, I'd kind of HAVE to be cool with it, since we gave her to a same-sex couple at birth, by full mutual agreement, knowing what lind of family she was being adopted into. And I am. I mean, at this point, I think my LGBTQ friends are almost equal in numbers to my straight friends, and there's a couple in my family, too, so yeah, I'm totally cool with that. Live, Love, Laugh, and all that. Funny thing is, the one cousin we THOUGHT would turn out to be gay wasn't, but his SISTER is, lol! And that was okay, too. (Truth is, I think Mr. D and I were more accepting than her own mother was, which is kind of a sad commentary on the mom, but it is what it is....)
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12-08-2020, 10:40 AM | #59 |
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Of course I'll accept my child if they're gay. I've never had a fascination with continuing my bloodline or anything like that. That could be because I'm not particularly proud of my family history. To me people are values and ideas, not dna.
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