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Old 04-26-2019, 01:54 PM   #1
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Exclamation Judged and Accused


How many of your artist/animator have be Judged because of your works and who you are?
Be in my shoes and suffer for accused for that you draw - that will you do in real life.
For some people is art = reality - There is no difference between them....
Yes, I have..So have you be in this kind of thing?

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I'm a Furry and be accused of being in beastaliy because I'm Furry and that is not true!
I would never do that kind of thing...why think people we furries do that kind of things?

- Never understand People in this world....
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:29 PM   #2
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Warning for nsfw rant - about me as Furry:
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I'm a Furry and be accused of being in beastaliy because I'm Furry and that is not true!
I would never do that kind of thing...why think people we furries do that kind of things?
I don't think that's a very big leap to make, mentally, for a lot of people looking from the outside in. Personally, I think it's not "I have a fantasy about having sex with animals" but rather, "I have a fantasy about having sex as an animal."

Working in the hotel industry you sure hear a lot of stories about what goes on in those "Furry" cons...
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Old 05-05-2021, 06:29 AM   #3
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The need for an individual to express themselves sexually as an animal rather than a human is what is off-putting to people. It makes others to wonder if a furry finds these animal physical features as sexually attractive then, how it can make some think beastiality is not too far away.

Then there's the "what if" scenario, where if an animal had conscious thought like a human or similarly to these animal mutants in TMNT, is it considered "fair game" if both the furry and the conscious-animal have a romantic/sexual relationship.

I mean if all parties are consenting adults in the furry community, that's your business. But don't be surprised if some find that form of eroticism repulsive.

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Old 05-06-2021, 02:28 AM   #4
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I'd say it is about expressing yourself as an animal at all, that pushes people away. Not only sexually.
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Old 05-06-2021, 02:18 PM   #5
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Then there's the "what if" scenario, where if an animal had conscious thought like a human or similarly to these animal mutants in TMNT, is it considered "fair game" if both the furry and the conscious-animal have a romantic/sexual relationship.
Regarding the fictional angle that will never ever even happen, thus relatively harmless in most cases... that's kind of that line there though, right? Where that fiction being is (in their world) a person who is fully capable of consenting and probably isn't going to see a human as any more or less of an animal than they are. They might find it arrogant for humans to assume mutants and similar beings should also bother to agree that humans are something else above all other creatures and not just the crazy talking apes they see in front of them. lol The Turtles surely realize just how ridiculous humans actually are. Though if THEY are into crazy talking apes is another matter... lol


Now... people who want to be these other creatures, that's a whole other thing, I guess. I mean, most of us can probably agree that being human can suck. There's some huge pluses, but on the other hand there are days it feels like it would have been easier to have been born something else. (Heck, I was commenting on that to all those overly happy birds out there just this morning when I could barely make myself feel awake going out to my car.) But most of us are not going to go around trying to pretend to become something else and rather just deal with the hand we were dealt having the fortune and misfortune of being human.

If we're going to play pretend, I find it better to just hope that reincarnation is a thing and hope be something else next time. So long as it isn't something worse. lol
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Old 05-06-2021, 02:57 PM   #6
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There are people out there who find fictional characters, Be it furry or alien a lot more attractive then humans.

And this is usually the case when these characters are drawn in such a way, where they appear sexually attractive.
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Old 05-06-2021, 05:29 PM   #7
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As a female fan and thus probably have a little different relation to favorite male characters like the TMNT than most male fans do...I can say that, yes, nice muscle tone even looks good in green and it's possible to design them, as one example of inhuman fictional characters, in a way that is made to seem appealing. (Don't act like it this doesn't go both ways, boys. lol) Though when it comes down to it, it is still the rather human aspects about them that are the appealing part. If some fan purposely tries to draw them looking "hot" I would not say that they are more appealing than human men... but could still have their own thing happening in their own way. And those ways are still human-ish.

Now someone who finds non-humans more appealing in general, not just over characters purposely drawn that way, that part I'd agree is a little concerning and sounds like an active rejecting of and isolation from other people.

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Old 04-26-2019, 02:33 PM   #8
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I would never do that kind of thing...why think people we furries do that kind of things?
My two cents... Because despite the intelligence of the species, human beings can be rather simple minded beasts who think all the answers should be simple. A black and white world is easy, all the gray area requires thought and most are too lazy for the more complex thought required.

The furry thing is not something I'll personally ever understand, but I at least can appreciate the amazing amount of talent that goes into a lot of those costumes.
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Because despite the intelligence of the species, human beings can be rather simple minded beasts who think all the answers should be simple.
A black and white world is easy, all the gray area requires thought and most are too lazy for the more complex thought required.
Yes, world is black and white. (all as no normals is a big sins)
Some people I have meet don't know what is the difference between human intelligence creatures
(Mutants, werewolfs, ect, ect..) and no intelligence beasts.

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I don't think that's a very big leap to make, mentally, for a lot of people looking from the outside in.
Personally, I think it's not "I have a fantasy about having sex with animals" but rather, "I have a fantasy about having sex as an animal."
Yes, you can have fantasy or dream about it. (No wrong with that...)
But if you do thing as animation, artworks or says someting about you be accused of it.
People think you in it and drag you down in dirt (called weirdo, ect, ect, ect).
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Old 01-07-2021, 07:26 PM   #10
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People judged everything as Different what they think is normal..
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Old 01-08-2021, 07:30 AM   #11
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I think there's "degrees" of everything. Like there's people who have one or two beers with dinner, and there's people who get fall-down piss-their-pants drunk every chance they get. But it's unfair to accuse people on One Side of that equation of being The Other Side by default. Like when I have a few beers at a holiday party, there's always at least ONE person giving me the side-eye, and my wife is always like "No, he's not like that at all, he's never a problem drinker." But people ASSUME you are, and man, that can be annoying as hell.

So yeah, I think there's degrees. Some people just like the artwork, and that seems pretty much fine and "harmless"; I don't get why some people get all bent about it. Lola Bunny or Jessica Rabbit, it's a cartoon either way so we've already crossed one "line" into Nonsense. But nobody ever really gets side-eyed for saying they'd bang Jessica Rabbit; it's more or less a given, from what I've seen. But... it's still just a cartoon... so while I see there's still a few degrees of separation between one and the other... either one is "silly" if we're being honest about it. So if a person is already one who finds cartoon characters arousing, well... I don't see the big deal either way. FW April or Krystal from Star Fox, it's really not THAT different. You're never gonna bang either one of 'em in Real Life, so who cares what you're thinking in your head? I mean, if Lola Bunny is Wrong then I dont wanna be Right.

Other people do the fursuit and convention thing, and I gotta admit, that's a bit more outlandish to me, but... MOSTLY because I can't fathom anyone spending so much time, money and effort on ANY thing. It's also none of my business. But I'd never participate. At the same time I don't go to "regular" cons or dress up in elaborate super-hero attire either; again Too Much Work! But I have no problem with people who do, and a lot of time their craftsmanship is admirable. As for what people are doing behind closed doors at such affairs... eh, once again, not my business. If people wanna dress up like Care Bears and screw around, that's their business, just like the people down the hall at the same hotel dressing up like Batman and Batgirl and doing their own weird sex stuff is their own business. I don't see much separation between the two, frankly. Either one is kinda "weird" if you wanna be judgmental about it.

Either way, I think it's all pretty harmless and I think it's kinda weird that a lot of people talk about furries the same way they talk about pedophiles or actual zoophiles. I highly doubt that the same people who jack it to Thundercats are also molesting their pets. Y'know who I've seen in the news a lot over the years get in trouble for molesting animals? Chicks who work at vet clinics and animal shelters and horse farms. Lotta "after-hours" stuff going on in those places if you go strictly by what the headlines report. But do we automatically assume that every woman who becomes a vet secretly wants to molest animals? No, we don't assume that. Or likewise, how many times is it in the news every single year that some female teacher got caught having sex with her underage students? Literally dozens, and I'm sure there are tons who never get reported. But do we automatically assume that every female teacher wants to have sex with her students? No, we don't. No matter how many times it actually HAPPENS, we don't cast those aspersions on those types of people.

I don't know. I think there's way worse stuff in the world than people getting horny for cartoon characters, and I do think it's kinda funny that Those People get judged a lot more harshly than a lot of people who actually do Bad Stuff in real life. It's odd.
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Old 01-08-2021, 11:19 AM   #12
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Furries are single handedly responsible for their...ahem..."reputation".
So, they should deal with it.

Usually, I am "live an let live" type, so I don't have strong feelings about weirdos doing some crazy ****, but furries creep me out. The whole idea of pretending to be a "cartoon animal" is just...bizzare, to say the least.
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Old 03-10-2021, 03:10 AM   #13
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I mean, as long as you do no harm to anyone else, why bothering to be judged?

I remember when I was younger, I always had the reputation of being "anti-social", and I always HATED that judgement, because I didn't think it was true.
But at the same time, I tried to watch my situation from outside, like: why people say that?

Usually people is considered "social" when they have lots of friends and ALWAYS stay in groups. So,as society's standars, I could be considered an anti-social.
But that's it, I could be considered so, but what would happen if I do?
Nothing really. Nobody would punch me or kill me because of that, so why bothering?

From your point of view, I would just tell you to do the same thing.
Furries ARE seen in a bad way because of their common behaviours, but do not try to
change peoples mind about FURRIES as a whole, just prove them that YOU don't do that kind of stuff, if you really need to.
Strangers will ALWAYS judge youbecause they don't know you yet, and not because YOU are what the judgment says.
I would go deeper on why I consider "bad" for an artist to be affhiliated with a group of similar ones, but that's
another story, and (since I'm not very good at writing) I prefer keeping the discussion on this level for now.

I know it's kind of hard to understand it because everyone takes things differently, but try it.
Just ask yourself what would happen if people judges you.
Let the ones who are worthy to ignore the prejudices to appreciate you, not the other way around.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:01 AM   #14
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Being a "furry" has clear ties to some kind of mental illness. The only reason that it isn't is the identical reason that people use to defend it - generally speaking being a furry doesn't widely lead to personal harm or harm of others.

That is the only reason that we "live and let live" in that particular situation, which is a good enough reason for me to let furries do their thing and not be bothered by it.

And so to be clear, there is some kind of skewed mental algebra that goes along with it - fetishism, body dismorphia, whatever the connection is, I don't know. There is mental illness there of some kind, but I'm okay with the criteria that if no harm is done then who cares. But to deny that their is some poor psychology going on is either a lie of justification or just ignorant. But who cares (I've said it now three times for the low-information reader of the thread, whoever you are).
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Being a "furry" has clear ties to some kind of mental illness. The only reason that it isn't is the identical reason that people use to defend it - generally speaking being a furry doesn't widely lead to personal harm or harm of others.
And what about people who are into BDSM? Femdom? "Water sports"? Granny porn? Sex with midgets? Rape fantasies? Character roleplay? Where's the line? At what point does something cross the line from "kink" into "mental illness"?

I generally don't like that kind of thinking, because honestly anything sexual that isn't "vanilla" could very well be called "indicative of a mental illness" and a case could be made for it. Which is why I pretty firmly believe that how anyone gets off should be their own personal business unless they choose to share it.

The truth is, any or all of that stuff only "crosses a line" when the person hearing about it chooses to say, "Ew, that's gross, those people should be locked up." But they've in turn got their own thing that they'd never brag about jerking off to, either. So it's really weird when people get all judge-y. "That thing indicates a mental illness!" Yeah, so does That Guy's thing, most likely. Stones, glass houses, yadda yadda. It's dumb.
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And what about people who are into BDSM? Femdom? "Water sports"? Granny porn? Sex with midgets? Rape fantasies? Character roleplay? Where's the line? At what point does something cross the line from "kink" into "mental illness"?

I generally don't like that kind of thinking, because honestly anything sexual that isn't "vanilla" could very well be called "indicative of a mental illness" and a case could be made for it. Which is why I pretty firmly believe that how anyone gets off should be their own personal business unless they choose to share it.

The truth is, any or all of that stuff only "crosses a line" when the person hearing about it chooses to say, "Ew, that's gross, those people should be locked up." But they've in turn got their own thing that they'd never brag about jerking off to, either. So it's really weird when people get all judge-y. "That thing indicates a mental illness!" Yeah, so does That Guy's thing, most likely. Stones, glass houses, yadda yadda. It's dumb.
You are missing the nuance and in it's place supplanting mostly sexual fantasies as a marker of the behavior for justification. They are not all akin to each other.

Bucking societal norms are the stretch limit if someone isn't a full on sociopath. But I'd say the mental health threshold is crossed once disillusionment with self begins and gives rise to "the other", moreso when the other is a completely different species.

For example, wishing you were a superhero can be mental illness, but let's say that it isn't at that threshold and instead in of itself is simply a projection of reaching an ideal state for humanity.

This as opposed to needing a connection to an animal and actually bringing yourself out of compliance with the human state and into the closest compliance possible with a non-human state is a crossed threshold of mental status. Especially when done for any reason of self-comfort derived from "the other" (furrie) rather than striving to be an ideal human (e.g., growth into the best of that which we already are). That's definitely mental illness and not akin to BDSM or most of your other examples. Sorry bro.

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Seems like a lot of over-thinking to me, but c'est la vie.

If I spoke to two people, and one of them said "I occasionally like to jerk off to cartoon characters, and some of them have cat's tails or whatever but otherwise my sex life is pretty normal," and the OTHER person said to me, "My favorite sex thing is to get tied up and beat up, or to do that to other people," I know which of the two I'D think was more weird and possibly more "mentally ill."

BUT, that's me. I generally think the whole "Kill all the furries!" mentality has a lot to do with people deflecting from their own "perverted" kinks. "Don't lookit ME, lookit THEM! THEY'RE the weird ones! I'm perfectly fine!" And I'm old enough and have seen enough to know that no, nobody is "fine". Everybody is a "sick pervert" and the rest is just a matter of degree.
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