The Technodrome Forums

Go Back   The Technodrome Forums > TMNT Universes > Nick TMNT Cartoon Discussion

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM   #1
matteso586
Stone Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 712
Samurai Rabbit: The Usagi Chronicles set in 2012 Usagi's Future?

Since both Samurai Rabbit and the 2012 series are CGI cartoons. And that Miyamoto Usagi was voiced by Yuki Matsuzaki in both of them. Maybe I'm just overthinking things.
matteso586 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2022, 06:51 PM   #2
IndigoErth
Team Blue Boy
 
IndigoErth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: U.S., East Coast
Posts: 15,170
Quote:
Originally Posted by matteso586 View Post
Since both Samurai Rabbit and the 2012 series are CGI cartoons. And that Miyamoto Usagi was voiced by Yuki Matsuzaki in both of them. Maybe I'm just overthinking things.
Huh. Didn't know it was the same voice actor! Yeah, not holding my breath, but it's a cool theory. I did feel while watching it that the 2012 designs would fit in pretty well with that show...minus the skin/hair texturing difference.

And after it mentioned a multiverse I'm sort of hoping at least for a TMNT Easter egg if it has another season.
IndigoErth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2022, 07:08 PM   #3
neatoman
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 9,398
For what it's worth, I think this show was modeled on the 2012 show in some sense. It has many similar stylistic choices and both shows seem to think being stupid just to have stupid things is a good thing. Maybe it's written with the intention to be the future of that Usagi, all the typical Usagi characters aside from Jei and Usagi himself were missing from the 2012 crossover, not to mention how this show has them in the "1000 years in the future" setting instead of Usagi's lifetime.

That said however, I don't think it can be legally considered a spin-off to the 2012 show. The show will most likely never feature any direct references to what happened in the 2012 show or the TMNT in general. If the TMNT do appear against all odds, I'm not so sure it will be that particular version of them. The most realistic outcome you can hope for is that legally distinct copycats of the TMNT show up.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTH View Post
Turtles is basically the red-headed stepchild of Nick.
Hahahaha!
neatoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2022, 02:10 PM   #4
Jeff
Stone Warrior
 
Jeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: I heard the sewers in Connecticut are nice.
Posts: 548
It's not a bad show for what it is, but it doesn't feel like Usagi Yojimbo at all.
Jeff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2022, 05:57 PM   #5
neatoman
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 9,398
I'm never quite sure what "not bad for what it is" really means, I get the feeling that's the kind of thing that gets thrown around a lot to provide an excuse that won't require an argument.

In this case, if it means "It is a cheap kids' cartoon on Netflix probably meant to sell merch and will likely get canned before episode 50, and those tend to be even worse than this." then yes, that is true. But that doesn't mean the show's problems can just be excused, it might be better than what one might expect from something like this but that doesn't exactly make the show good.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTH View Post
Turtles is basically the red-headed stepchild of Nick.
Hahahaha!
neatoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2022, 06:00 PM   #6
Leo656
The Franchise
 
Leo656's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: nWo Country
Posts: 27,694
Quote:
Originally Posted by neatoman View Post
I'm never quite sure what "not bad for what it is" really means, I get the feeling that's the kind of thing that gets thrown around a lot to provide an excuse that won't require an argument.

In this case, if it means "It is a cheap kids' cartoon on Netflix probably meant to sell merch and will likely get canned before episode 50, and those tend to be even worse than this." then yes, that is true. But that doesn't mean the show's problems can just be excused, it might be better than what one might expect from something like this but that doesn't exactly make the show good.
It's the old "Richard Pryor Superman III Defense".

In his words: "Hey, for a piece of sh*t, it smells great!"

That's pretty much everything, these days.
__________________

"I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder...
I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..."

"But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know."
nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA
https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/
Leo656 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 05:56 AM   #7
superstaff
Mad Scientist
 
superstaff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by neatoman View Post
I'm never quite sure what "not bad for what it is" really means, I get the feeling that's the kind of thing that gets thrown around a lot to provide an excuse that won't require an argument.

In this case, if it means "It is a cheap kids' cartoon on Netflix probably meant to sell merch and will likely get canned before episode 50, and those tend to be even worse than this." then yes, that is true. But that doesn't mean the show's problems can just be excused, it might be better than what one might expect from something like this but that doesn't exactly make the show good.
I have to agree with this. It's a common thing I see so much in recent times. "Yeah, well, it's not bad for what it is! It's just a cute little cartoon!" Why can't cartoons be criticized like all other forms of art? They're not supposed to be taken seriously by any means, and the humor in them are supposed to always be found funny, or the fans say that you're a moron who can't take a joke. So if Usagi Descendant Boy farts multiple times in an episode, including during the dramatic scene when his love interest or best friend or whatever dies, then you're a moron for complaining that a dramatic scene was ruined by a very dumb joke.
superstaff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 01:19 PM   #8
Sumac
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 6,129
Its a valid stance, that I think works, when you need to remind people their unrealistic expectations are just that - unrealistic expectations.

Like when they expect dark and gritty action from a show which was intended to be a comedy.
Sumac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 05:44 PM   #9
Powder
So tired of this place
 
Powder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Shell Ri La
Posts: 26,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumac View Post
Its a valid stance, that I think works, when you need to remind people their unrealistic expectations are just that - unrealistic expectations.

Like when they expect dark and gritty action from a show which was intended to be a comedy.
THIS!

It's not a matter of being kind for kindness' sake, it's exactly as described above.

With any legacy property, the fandom always thinks X will be exactly what THEY want it to be, then they get mad when it isn't. You have to adjust your perspective.

In this case of this particular series, it being "good for what it is" means "Sure, this isn't the classic UY we know, but if you can accept that, & acknowledge that this was always meant to be something entirely different, a Kung-Fu Panda inspired kids show that merely takes notes from UY, you'll find it has its own charms, humor, & design work, that stands on their own, among other action cartoons for children." or whatever.

Same for Rise of the TMNT. People go into it expecting drama, darkness, violence, whatever, based on the prior iteration. It was never meant to be that. It's a wacky, random, balls to the walls kid show that puts goofiness first. Just like they said it would be. Yet, people watched it one episode after another going "Where's the multi-part plot driving mystery?!" as if it isn't just meant to be a bag of candy.

"It's good for what it is" simply means "I am able to take this at face value, & enjoy it, despite the fact it is doing something different than I would have initially expected from this creator/series/etc."
__________________



I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy
Powder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 05:45 PM   #10
superstaff
Mad Scientist
 
superstaff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumac View Post
Like when they expect dark and gritty action from a show which was intended to be a comedy.
I didn't expect it to be dark and gritty. I just wanted it to be a fun action show, maybe with some mature stuff in it, as mature as kids cartoons can get. But this...is not it.
superstaff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 06:07 PM   #11
neatoman
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 9,398
I don't get why people assume the problem would be that that it's comedic or different from the comic, though there are certain things to be said about that as well. If the show was just a comedy that differed from the comic but was actually good, I'd shrug my shoulders and proclaim my disappointment about that particular aspect of it but I wouldn't call the show bad, maybe argue why it should have been more faithful or taken itself more seriously but not say it was bad.

The show does however have problems beyond what I personally felt it should have been like. A lot of the jokes fall flat, the plot doesn't make enough sense, some characters are rather annoying and the animation isn't that great. These are problems, regardless of what expectations one might have.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTH View Post
Turtles is basically the red-headed stepchild of Nick.
Hahahaha!
neatoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2022, 11:07 PM   #12
Sumac
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 6,129
Quote:
Originally Posted by superstaff View Post
I didn't expect it to be dark and gritty. I just wanted it to be a fun action show, maybe with some mature stuff in it, as mature as kids cartoons can get. But this...is not it.
Sorry, my comment wasn't aimed at Usagi series, since I haven't watched it, more like in general.
Sumac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2022, 05:13 AM   #13
neatoman
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 9,398
If you have unrealistic expectations for something that is still good, you might be a little disappointed but you can still think it's good. If you had unrealistic expectations and it turned out bad, you'd probably still think it was bad if your expectations had been realistic. "Good for what it is" still doesn't work as an actual defense because everything ought to be held to a basic standard regardless of "what it is".

If we bring up a TMNT example, The Next Mutation was a live-action Saban show made without lifting the expensive scenes from other shows, that means it was about as good as one might expect. I don't think anyone would try to defend TNM on the basis that Saban couldn't just splice together footage from Shadow Warriors and Sekai Ninja Sen Jiraiya with reshoots featuring the Ninja Turtles.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTH View Post
Turtles is basically the red-headed stepchild of Nick.
Hahahaha!
neatoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2022, 01:21 PM   #14
IndigoErth
Team Blue Boy
 
IndigoErth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: U.S., East Coast
Posts: 15,170
Quote:
Originally Posted by superstaff View Post
I have to agree with this. It's a common thing I see so much in recent times. "Yeah, well, it's not bad for what it is! It's just a cute little cartoon!" Why can't cartoons be criticized like all other forms of art? They're not supposed to be taken seriously by any means, and the humor in them are supposed to always be found funny, or the fans say that you're a moron who can't take a joke. So if Usagi Descendant Boy farts multiple times in an episode, including during the dramatic scene when his love interest or best friend or whatever dies, then you're a moron for complaining that a dramatic scene was ruined by a very dumb joke.
And I have to agree with this.

I don't expect something aimed at kids to be the mature, gritty series a lot of us dream of seeing someday like for the TMNT, but it's disappointing to see longtime awesome things dumbed down to become yet another derpy series like so many aimed at kids now.

I did more or less like this Usagi series fine enough, it has potential, but I was definitely mentally roiling my eyes at some of the dialogue and antics it really could have cut out of the script without taking any kind of loss to the story or entertainment. Looking through that junk, it was rather okay. But that stuff felt like a waste of limited time per ep in a way that was a bit annoying, and could get old fast if they don't grow him as a character in a second season, if there is one.

If nothing else... they came up with an Usagi descendant that might actually mesh with Rise Leo's ego and behavior. The original Usagi sure wouldn't.
IndigoErth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2022, 06:37 PM   #15
matteso586
Stone Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 712
Uh... this is about the possibility that Samurai Rabbit is set in the 2012 version of Usagi Yojimbo's future.

Speaking of which, I just noticed two other examples that support the possibility. The 2D flashbacks, and that the alarm sound in Episode 2: Yokai sounded similar to The Kraang's alarm system.
matteso586 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2022, 07:26 PM   #16
King Kahn
Stone Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 629
While i WANTED a true OG Usagi series, and we can always still get one, I really liked this one as well.

It's more like Batman Beyond is to Batman the animated series.

It was entertaining and I would love more but those glimpses into the original Usagi's life def leaves me wanting more of that.
King Kahn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2022, 05:33 PM   #17
tmntfan4ever
Foot Soldier
 
tmntfan4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago Illinois
Posts: 177
This show reminds me of a blend of the TMNT 2012 series & Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness
__________________
tmntfan4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2022, 06:07 PM   #18
CyberCubed
Overlord
 
CyberCubed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
Show wasn't very good as a whole, but there were some moments I liked such as the 2d flashbacks with the original Usagi.

Overall though it was kind of bland. I was hoping for something like Nick's TMNT 2012 show where it had some plotlines and humor for adults to enjoy, but it wasn't written like that. Way too kid-oriented.
CyberCubed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2022, 08:03 PM   #19
Zog The Magnificent
Stone Warrior
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 566
Honestly, I don't think I was ever going to be into it. When they first announced the show, back when the 2012 Usagi crossover happened, I was really excited about an actual adaptation of the Usagi comics, especially after seeing what it could look like in the 2012 show. When they later announced it was going to be a completely separate thing that wasn't really an adaptation, not even of Space Usagi, I completely lost interest. And maybe I'm not taking it on it's own terms enough, but when they made it sound like it would be a bona fide adaptation, that's what I was excited about. It feels like they pulled the rug out, and what we got is just not all that special or interesting.
Zog The Magnificent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2022, 08:25 PM   #20
Ninjinister
無問題
 
Ninjinister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Moesko Island, WA
Posts: 14,309
I still don't understand how people are incapable of judging something by target and goal.

If it does what the players behind it set out to do, it succeeds its goal. If it appeals to its target, it also succeeds. If it does anything beyond that, it's a bonus.

If you make a cartoon that is aimed at 6-year-olds and 6-year-olds love it, then that's a success. It is very much not a failure if it does not appeal to 40-year-olds, because the creators weren't trying to appeal to 40-year-olds. But if it does also appeal to those outside of the target demographic, that's more successful. It's hitting stuff you were aiming at and then some.

(This is not a defense of any specific piece because, for one I haven't even seen Samurai Rabbit. It is basic common sense).
__________________
Ninjinister is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.