How do you feel about TMNT cartoons making villains into allies by the end of it? - Page 2

*Wesley* · 12-03-2017, 09:54 AM

Depends on the villains. I don’t have a problem with some of them becoming allies. Them working together with the Turtles temporarily against a greater threat is more interesting to me, though.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-03-2017, 10:22 AM

Evereyone fought the monster together in "Splinter No More" for a while.

*plastroncafe* · 12-03-2017, 10:37 AM

I do love a good redemption arc, but...for me this sort of thing only works with well developed bad guys.

Like...Magneto, or Zuko, or heck even Legend's of Tomorrow's Captain Cold.
Agents of Chaos don't make for good redemption arcs, but characters that are already people, do.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-03-2017, 10:43 AM

Archie Slash also worked well.

*Wesley* · 12-03-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Evereyone fought the monster together in "Splinter No More" for a while.

Great episode. Shredder was a competent enough villain in that ep, as he managed to free himself, Bebop and Rocksteady from the monster’s clutches.

Also, the Turtles decided to help the Punk Frogs in “Invasion of the Punk Frogs” even though they weren’t on the same side. They also decided to help Shredder and Baxter in “Case of the Killer Pizzas”.

*Spike Spiegel* · 12-03-2017, 11:06 AM

Stockman and Bishop's arcs made them the most dynamic characters in 2k3 IMHO.

shredder orokusaki · 12-05-2017, 02:57 AM

How do i feel about my hencmen betraying me?! You want to know how i feel?! Grrrr arrgggggggg

ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrr

first it was 2003 karai and hun!!! Then 2012 rocksteady and bebop!! And of course that crazy mad scientist baxter stockman! All of the stockman have betrayd me except idw stockman!!! Grrrrr!!!!!!
But they will pay for what they did. I will cut their heads and drink their blood!!

*Ninjinister* · 12-05-2017, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PApagreg

It depends, if the character shows strong signs of redemption, they are being misled, their goals are somewhat noble, then I can see them being redeemed. It also depends on the execution, the reason why I didn't care for TC turn to face was because I felt it was too apparent and the only times he was shown being a decent human were the times he thought Shredder went too far in some cases but still continued with doing his job without any signs of disbelief towards Shredder

Tiger Claw....
Decent... Human?

That doesn't add up.

*triplexxx* · 12-06-2017, 08:28 PM

Like has been said, is dependent how true a villain any of them is, some were anti-villain, or even anti-hero (i.e. Bishop), some had been dragged through the mud so much (i.e. Stockman) that it could be said they'd, at least somewhat, paid their commupance, and some are guilty of more or worse crimes than others or had more malicious personalities/intentions than others, would also depend if their crimes were actually successful, how much damage they caused, and if they got away with it. Hun was guilty of murder at least once, possibly twice, plus his alliances with good usually temporary & for his own selfish gain, so he could be an example of "irredeemable". The Punk Frogs, never really villains, just misled & naive. Karai kind of bounced back and forth, seemed to have an understanding of good, yet at the same time willingly aided and abetted her "father's" crimes. Bebop & Rocksteady, buffoons, but strong and willing common thugs with street connections. Many alliances were just temporary & only because the turtles & villains had common interests at that particular moment, doesn't mean the villains are redeemed, at least not completely.

*PApagreg* · 12-06-2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Tiger Claw....
Decent... Human?

That doesn't add up.

Man Tiger, whatever.

*pferreira* · 12-07-2017, 09:01 AM

My take on it is that having enemies fight each other all the time because repetitive. To have the villains redeemed or working together with the heroes provides something new to the dynamic of the show or comic.

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Originally Posted by neatoman

I wouldn't say "good", more like benign and happy.

You know what, scratch happy, doesn't quite seem right. I'm thinking a word with similar meaning might be more appropriate. Cheery? Joyful? Merry? Perky? Chipper? Upbeat? Peppy? Gleeful? I don't know, maybe it'll some to me later...

Content?

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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

You could say their change was quite naked.

I know. The cheeks of it.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-07-2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley

Great episode. Shredder was a competent enough villain in that ep, as he managed to free himself, Bebop and Rocksteady from the monster’s clutches.

Also, the Turtles decided to help the Punk Frogs in “Invasion of the Punk Frogs” even though they weren’t on the same side. They also decided to help Shredder and Baxter in “Case of the Killer Pizzas”.

In Archie, Leonardo kicked Rocksteady off an underground bridge only to within the very next moment save him.

12-03-2017, 09:54 AM	#21
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,589	Depends on the villains. I don’t have a problem with some of them becoming allies. Them working together with the Turtles temporarily against a greater threat is more interesting to me, though. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

12-03-2017, 10:22 AM	#22
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Splinter No More Evereyone fought the monster together in "Splinter No More" for a while.

12-05-2017, 02:57 AM	#27
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,402	How do i feel about my hencmen betraying me?! You want to know how i feel?! Grrrr arrgggggggg ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrr first it was 2003 karai and hun!!! Then 2012 rocksteady and bebop!! And of course that crazy mad scientist baxter stockman! All of the stockman have betrayd me except idw stockman!!! Grrrrr!!!!!! But they will pay for what they did. I will cut their heads and drink their blood!! __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

12-03-2017, 10:43 AM	#24
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Archie Slash also worked well.

12-06-2017, 08:28 PM	#29
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,596	Like has been said, is dependent how true a villain any of them is, some were anti-villain, or even anti-hero (i.e. Bishop), some had been dragged through the mud so much (i.e. Stockman) that it could be said they'd, at least somewhat, paid their commupance, and some are guilty of more or worse crimes than others or had more malicious personalities/intentions than others, would also depend if their crimes were actually successful, how much damage they caused, and if they got away with it. Hun was guilty of murder at least once, possibly twice, plus his alliances with good usually temporary & for his own selfish gain, so he could be an example of "irredeemable". The Punk Frogs, never really villains, just misled & naive. Karai kind of bounced back and forth, seemed to have an understanding of good, yet at the same time willingly aided and abetted her "father's" crimes. Bebop & Rocksteady, buffoons, but strong and willing common thugs with street connections. Many alliances were just temporary & only because the turtles & villains had common interests at that particular moment, doesn't mean the villains are redeemed, at least not completely.