Apritello VS Capril - Page 2

*plastroncafe* · 03-21-2016, 10:48 AM

Random Aside, is Casey's dad abusive in the Mirage universe?
I mean...we meet his mom, and his cousin Sid, but is there any mention of his dad at all?

*ssjup81* · 03-21-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I dunno, there are people out there who have pretty crap families...

True, but the reason Casey, for this series, got into the vigilante thing was to protect his sister, father, and April.

DarkLightDragon · 03-21-2016, 11:09 AM

Too bad we never really see either his father or sister to really care about them. Or when he seemingly doesn't care about them.

*ssjup81* · 03-21-2016, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Too bad we never really see either his father or sister to really care about them. Or when he seemingly doesn't care about them.

It's almost like the writers forgot he had a family. This is another thing on my list of things I wish they'd elaborate on.

DarkLightDragon · 03-21-2016, 11:15 AM

They're in the same boat as April's aunt really.

*ssjup81* · 03-21-2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

They're in the same boat as April's aunt really.

At least she was mentioned, but seems when Kirby finally returned that they could've had her say, "My aunt went home" or something.

*GoldMutant* · 03-21-2016, 11:58 AM

Really wish there was a third option called "I like them both" and a fourth one called "Neither". I've said it before and I'll say it again, the show can't do relationships well except Leo and Karai. That's the only dynamic I feel they nailed properly with Leo's desperation to restore Karai's sanity; though there's occasional flirting prior to mutation, it's subtle. The others are either irritating for me to sit through such as Michelangelo and Renet or could have worked, but are instead played up for laughs and annoying for Raphael and Mona Lisa. Another time for it, but I'll focus on April because honestly, it's been four seasons and I'm really tired of it.

Capril- Can you even call this a relationship in the Nickelodeon universe? I certainly don't; in most TMNT incarnations, we know Casey and April are set to be together. The only time I'm aware of that it isn't is the Fred Wolf cartoon; if there's another version with both in (not PD as of now), feel free to correct me as I still need to read the comics. The dynamic of the two, while repetitious is always fun to watch. Casey often the lovable, yet feisty everyman with a rougher past in comparison to April's background where she's been through tough times, though not as tragic as Arnold Jones' passing. With the Turtles, the overall theme is family; April serving as a sisterly figure to the group, a tender heart in hardships while Casey is the stepbrother, at times arguing with the group but willing to do what's right.

The dynamic of the family theme leads to a problem I have with Casey in this version: his arrogance and arguing is grating after it's done too often. I can excuse Mutagen Man Unleashed because it is his debut into the cartoon; after all, it takes time to adjust a reinterpretation. Problem is with Casey is his main trait season 2 wise is to be the foil to Apriltello mostly. Sure, it can be argued that as a sister to the Turtles, Donnie would struggle to let April go with another man. As Casey doesn't mature usually either, that's an issue, though teens (myself included) have a superiority complex at times.

I've yet to find a reason personally to say Casey should be with April besides being continuous in the TMNT mythos. Maybe as the show progresses and he matures, then maybe. However at this time, I can't say yes. As for Apriltello, that's an entirely different subject matter.

Apriltello- ....From what I've seen on the forums, this is one of the most difficult topics to discuss Nickwise due to some liking and shipping the two, some are indifferent, and some don't like it. Personally, numerous opportunities have been present to go all in with this, but majority of the time it's played up for comedy. I do like Donatello's character in this series and am a sucker for good ol Paulsen, but the crush, despite it's spacing out, is irritating. In a way, Donatello's shyness reminds me of Peter Parker; not in a vein of heroism, but a stereotypical nerd is shy and insecure, taking a while to come out of his shell. That's acceptable, but how Don behaves in specific episodes bugs me.

Not to say Donatello is bad by any means, but I get a bad vibe from the comedic opportunities present. Obviously, there's the chart from Monkey Brains which goes way too far as a crush and more of an obsession. Besides that elephant in the room, Beyond the Known Universe is another major example that hurts the potential of both shippings. Obviously, appearances are more favored, but it went rather overboard despite a gag at best. Then of course, the infamous A Foot Too Big; despite disdain, the episode is actually something I can praise, though see why people hate.

In most episodes surrounding Donnie's affection/obsession (take your pick), he does have a lot more sympathy for April whereas Casey doesn't get much of a chance unless off camera. The Kirby demutation arc of season 2 being the prime example. Guilt does factor into wanting to fix a mistake; in Donatello's case, he feels responsible for Kirby turning into a mutant and wants to help him. That's the quintessential example of what the writers can do to make the crush not cringe inducing, but relatable. Of course, there are stinkers, particularly A Foot Too Big with April's kiss after Don accepted being wrong; certain episode involving Capril sometimes go for a feel good ending, which is a fault barring Target: April O'Neil. The writing is a severe conflict with the relationships, but if handled correctly you get heartwarming moments between April and the guy you ship.

Ultimately, even though Don has done more good than Casey to be with her, I can't see April being anything more than friends. Casey's arrogance as a vigilante can be annoying, but he seems somewhat absent minded. On the other hand, despite the good Donatello's done, the teasing and at times his personality are rather cringe inducing. I blame it more on the writing and overblowing the situation out of proportion as the show isn't through. Until a resolution or something is done without going to the extent of imagery, then I can't ship nor like either couple.

Tl;dr: Despite good moments spaced in the series and Don trying to do his best at certain points, the writing hurts both relationships, causing me to ship neither.

*neatoman* · 03-21-2016, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Random Aside, is Casey's dad abusive in the Mirage universe?
I mean...we meet his mom, and his cousin Sid, but is there any mention of his dad at all?

I don't think so. All I know about that version of Arnold is that Hun Killed him.

thundermaster612 · 03-21-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Any other version I'd have said Casey. but THIS Casey?! Uh, no. Gonna' go with Donnie here. Casey's a perv.

same here, except I have more on the Donnie part

thundermaster612 · 03-21-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I used to prefer Apritello, but after some careful thought, I have a different opinion. So, bear with me...

Spoiler:

Donnie along with.. Donnie? oogled over her body?
Also I think the chart thing was from 'Monkey Brains'

The Happy One · 03-21-2016, 12:58 PM

For me, if done right, both could go pretty nicely.

With Donnie...he's sweet- let's face it. Sure season one and a bit of two was cringe worthy while watching them sometimes. But I think it was a nice basis of what not to do (that the majority of teenage boys do anyway) and has kinda blossomed from that. Again, if Nick did it right, I'd be fine. But seeing, as Gold said, the only one they've nailed down good is Leo and Karai- I'd prefer April and Don as best friends, dorky nerds that enjoy science and the like.

As for Casey...it's kind of the same. Since they make this kid almost devoid of any other emotion besides either indifference or totally wicked, man! it just wouldn't work that well...not in my opinion.

In the comics (more specifically IDW) I love April and Casey’s relationship. Their dynamics are great! But that has to do with the more than excellent writing and characterization that IDW comics has. On top of that Don and April’s science bros type friendship flows nicely and something that I wish they had in the show.

So, in short, it's not really the characters themselves. It's more of tthe way the relationships- friendship or not- are executed and written. And, honestly, in the show, neither relationships are all the way there yet.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-21-2016, 01:18 PM

This feeling, when you ship an obscure ship...

*CyberCubed* · 03-22-2016, 02:14 AM

These shipping names still trigger me. Why do they exist? Probably created by the younger tumblr crowd whose first exposure to TMNT is the Nick cartoon.

Back in my day we didn't use shipping names such as these, we didn't use shipping names at all!

*Shark_Blade* · 03-22-2016, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

These shipping names still trigger me. Why do they exist? Probably created by the younger tumblr crowd whose first exposure to TMNT is the Nick cartoon.

Back in my day we didn't use shipping names such as these, we didn't use shipping names at all!

Have you heard yourself? You sound like an oldman yelling at kids for stepping on his damn lawn.

*plastroncafe* · 03-22-2016, 10:01 AM

Except for the fact that portmanteau have been a fandom convention since the early 2000s.

*CyberCubed* · 03-22-2016, 11:53 AM

April and Casey have been a pairing since the 80's in Mirage and I've never once heard, "Capril" being a name for them until the Nick show started.

Since when did people ever refer to April/Casey back in the 80's, 90's or early 2000's by that name? I never heard it before. And I've been in the online TMNT fandom for 15 years.

*plastroncafe* · 03-22-2016, 12:39 PM

The concept of the fandom portmanteau dates back to the early 2000s, the first FanFic.net story using it was posted in 2014.

And I'd like to point out that you've been part of THIS portion of online fandom for 15 years. That hardly makes you an expert.

Ceres · 03-22-2016, 12:45 PM

In the nick series both pairings suck balls. Capril or the other "thing" which is called Apritello are nothing more than forced relationships with little to no real ground to stand on.

The 4kids cartoon brought the pairing CaseyxApril rather good, it was not as cringeworthy as April and Casey or Donatello and April in the nick series. It felt natural, here however it feels kind of forced. Kind of.

But maybe i am just biased against both characters in this incarnation

Lisardo · 03-22-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

April and Casey have been a pairing since the 80's in Mirage and I've never once heard, "Capril" being a name for them until the Nick show started.

Since when did people ever refer to April/Casey back in the 80's, 90's or early 2000's by that name? I never heard it before. And I've been in the online TMNT fandom for 15 years.

Ship names are cute but annoying too. I think it is a younger crowd thing. I used to be April X Casey, for example, not an actual couple name. But TMNT is not the only one to do it, even sitcoms do it!

*BabyTurtles* · 03-24-2016, 12:03 PM

I'd choose Casey and April just so they can both leave the turtles alone.

but really...I want to choose neither.

View Poll Results: Which shippings do you like?
Donnie and April (Apritello)	27	79.41%
Casey and April (Capril)	7	20.59%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

03-21-2016, 11:58 AM	#27
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	Really wish there was a third option called "I like them both" and a fourth one called "Neither". I've said it before and I'll say it again, the show can't do relationships well except Leo and Karai. That's the only dynamic I feel they nailed properly with Leo's desperation to restore Karai's sanity; though there's occasional flirting prior to mutation, it's subtle. The others are either irritating for me to sit through such as Michelangelo and Renet or could have worked, but are instead played up for laughs and annoying for Raphael and Mona Lisa. Another time for it, but I'll focus on April because honestly, it's been four seasons and I'm really tired of it. Capril- Can you even call this a relationship in the Nickelodeon universe? I certainly don't; in most TMNT incarnations, we know Casey and April are set to be together. The only time I'm aware of that it isn't is the Fred Wolf cartoon; if there's another version with both in (not PD as of now), feel free to correct me as I still need to read the comics. The dynamic of the two, while repetitious is always fun to watch. Casey often the lovable, yet feisty everyman with a rougher past in comparison to April's background where she's been through tough times, though not as tragic as Arnold Jones' passing. With the Turtles, the overall theme is family; April serving as a sisterly figure to the group, a tender heart in hardships while Casey is the stepbrother, at times arguing with the group but willing to do what's right. The dynamic of the family theme leads to a problem I have with Casey in this version: his arrogance and arguing is grating after it's done too often. I can excuse Mutagen Man Unleashed because it is his debut into the cartoon; after all, it takes time to adjust a reinterpretation. Problem is with Casey is his main trait season 2 wise is to be the foil to Apriltello mostly. Sure, it can be argued that as a sister to the Turtles, Donnie would struggle to let April go with another man. As Casey doesn't mature usually either, that's an issue, though teens (myself included) have a superiority complex at times. I've yet to find a reason personally to say Casey should be with April besides being continuous in the TMNT mythos. Maybe as the show progresses and he matures, then maybe. However at this time, I can't say yes. As for Apriltello, that's an entirely different subject matter. Apriltello- ....From what I've seen on the forums, this is one of the most difficult topics to discuss Nickwise due to some liking and shipping the two, some are indifferent, and some don't like it. Personally, numerous opportunities have been present to go all in with this, but majority of the time it's played up for comedy. I do like Donatello's character in this series and am a sucker for good ol Paulsen, but the crush, despite it's spacing out, is irritating. In a way, Donatello's shyness reminds me of Peter Parker; not in a vein of heroism, but a stereotypical nerd is shy and insecure, taking a while to come out of his shell. That's acceptable, but how Don behaves in specific episodes bugs me. Not to say Donatello is bad by any means, but I get a bad vibe from the comedic opportunities present. Obviously, there's the chart from Monkey Brains which goes way too far as a crush and more of an obsession. Besides that elephant in the room, Beyond the Known Universe is another major example that hurts the potential of both shippings. Obviously, appearances are more favored, but it went rather overboard despite a gag at best. Then of course, the infamous A Foot Too Big; despite disdain, the episode is actually something I can praise, though see why people hate. In most episodes surrounding Donnie's affection/obsession (take your pick), he does have a lot more sympathy for April whereas Casey doesn't get much of a chance unless off camera. The Kirby demutation arc of season 2 being the prime example. Guilt does factor into wanting to fix a mistake; in Donatello's case, he feels responsible for Kirby turning into a mutant and wants to help him. That's the quintessential example of what the writers can do to make the crush not cringe inducing, but relatable. Of course, there are stinkers, particularly A Foot Too Big with April's kiss after Don accepted being wrong; certain episode involving Capril sometimes go for a feel good ending, which is a fault barring Target: April O'Neil. The writing is a severe conflict with the relationships, but if handled correctly you get heartwarming moments between April and the guy you ship. Ultimately, even though Don has done more good than Casey to be with her, I can't see April being anything more than friends. Casey's arrogance as a vigilante can be annoying, but he seems somewhat absent minded. On the other hand, despite the good Donatello's done, the teasing and at times his personality are rather cringe inducing. I blame it more on the writing and overblowing the situation out of proportion as the show isn't through. Until a resolution or something is done without going to the extent of imagery, then I can't ship nor like either couple. Tl;dr: Despite good moments spaced in the series and Don trying to do his best at certain points, the writing hurts both relationships, causing me to ship neither. __________________

03-22-2016, 12:45 PM	#38
Ceres Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 601	In the nick series both pairings suck balls. Capril or the other "thing" which is called Apritello are nothing more than forced relationships with little to no real ground to stand on. The 4kids cartoon brought the pairing CaseyxApril rather good, it was not as cringeworthy as April and Casey or Donatello and April in the nick series. It felt natural, here however it feels kind of forced. Kind of. But maybe i am just biased against both characters in this incarnation __________________ "Shredder, why don't you make love to me anymore?"

03-24-2016, 12:03 PM	#40
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	I'd choose Casey and April just so they can both leave the turtles alone. but really...I want to choose neither. __________________

03-21-2016, 11:09 AM	#23
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	Too bad we never really see either his father or sister to really care about them. Or when he seemingly doesn't care about them.

03-21-2016, 11:15 AM	#25
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	They're in the same boat as April's aunt really.

03-21-2016, 12:58 PM	#31
The Happy One Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: The...Earth?? Posts: 299	For me, if done right, both could go pretty nicely. With Donnie...he's sweet- let's face it. Sure season one and a bit of two was cringe worthy while watching them sometimes. But I think it was a nice basis of what not to do (that the majority of teenage boys do anyway) and has kinda blossomed from that. Again, if Nick did it right, I'd be fine. But seeing, as Gold said, the only one they've nailed down good is Leo and Karai- I'd prefer April and Don as best friends, dorky nerds that enjoy science and the like. As for Casey...it's kind of the same. Since they make this kid almost devoid of any other emotion besides either indifference or totally wicked, man! it just wouldn't work that well...not in my opinion. In the comics (more specifically IDW) I love April and Casey’s relationship. Their dynamics are great! But that has to do with the more than excellent writing and characterization that IDW comics has. On top of that Don and April’s science bros type friendship flows nicely and something that I wish they had in the show. So, in short, it's not really the characters themselves. It's more of tthe way the relationships- friendship or not- are executed and written. And, honestly, in the show, neither relationships are all the way there yet.

03-21-2016, 01:18 PM	#32
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	This feeling, when you ship an obscure ship...

03-22-2016, 02:14 AM	#33
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,036	These shipping names still trigger me. Why do they exist? Probably created by the younger tumblr crowd whose first exposure to TMNT is the Nick cartoon. Back in my day we didn't use shipping names such as these, we didn't use shipping names at all!

03-22-2016, 11:53 AM	#36
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,036	April and Casey have been a pairing since the 80's in Mirage and I've never once heard, "Capril" being a name for them until the Nick show started. Since when did people ever refer to April/Casey back in the 80's, 90's or early 2000's by that name? I never heard it before. And I've been in the online TMNT fandom for 15 years.