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That wasn't the main point of that point. I know that Disney is currently in charge of determining canon. I was merely trying to explain why continuity is a tricky business with franchises. If Star Wars is ever sold to someone else, or heck, if the administration changes, they could easily render the movies noncanon, and in a way that they were never canon to begin with, just becoming weird elseworld tales. I think a better example would be a mainstream publisher like DC comics. In just one ongoing, a writer can write a story, only for the next writer to render it noncanon, only for the next writer to change it right back, only for one of their annual events to render the whole thing noncanon except for certain details which are still canon. When a work is in the hands of multiple people, canon is more of a guiding line than a hard and fast rule. |
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That's some impressive autism.
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I wanted to quote someone that made me laugh in this thread, but then I kept scrolling and laughin' and now I don't know who to quote!
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07-19-2021, 02:35 AM | #45 |
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No need to resort to insults. Though I think that based on your response, you really don't have anything substantive to say, since it appears you can't really refute my evidence beyond declaring it doesn't count. Even in your longest post many of your refutations boiled down to this. Regardless, I've said all I need to say. By all available evidence and information, Mutant Apocalypse is officially noncanon. If you want to cling to the idea that it is canon, be my guest. At the end of the day it's a fictional story and people are going to count what they want to anyways. It's clear that you'll never change your opinion no matter what I present, and that this dialogue, one sided as it was, has run its course. So with that, I'm done talking about it. Off to other conversations!
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So, in all honesty, how well do you think the Space Arc worked? For me, it was one of my favorites in the show, though not as good as the second half of season 4. I enjoyed seeing the different renditions of the various space characters, as well as Lord Dregg and Armaggon. I'll admit, it took a bit for me to get behind this verison of Dregg, but by the end he really grew on me, and I think he worked pretty well for his role. I also especially appreciated the more serialized format and the overall more serious tone, barring the occasionall filler episode ("The Weird World of Wyrm" comes to mind). I also thought that the character writing, particularly around Fugitoid's character arc, was excellent. My one gripe with that was them showing us he was still alive at the end, undercutting the sacrifice, but then never doing anything with it. And of course, it was nice to see the Triceratons in the villain role again. I think the only realy problem I have with the arc as a whole is that at the end, they're left with two sets of turtles, which they immediately brush away and then never talk about again. A bit rushed, in my opinion.
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OK, Season 3.
IMHO, this is where the show really goes off the rails. and starts to loose whatever cohesivness it had. - an entire world believes that NYC is fine? yet aliens walk the streets and the city is basically dark and deserted? OK. - the rest of the country seems to not really care and goes about business as normal. - we went into the first half of the season. Foot to big, buried secrets, within the woods, croaking, terrible. race with the demon, eyes of the chimera, vision quest, in dreams. not as bad as I remember. The second half of the season feels like a totally different series. seems like two show runners split the season in 2. The Good - Pig and the Rhino, Battle for New York, Serpent Hunt, Return to New york, Clash of the Mutanimals, Turtles in Time, Tale of the Yokai, Creeping Doom, Fourfold Trap, Annihalation Earth. The bad - Casey Jones Vs the Underworld, the Noxious Avenger, - the OK..... Meet Mondo Gecko, Attack of the Mega Shredder, Dinsosaur seen in sewers... for the last three, the mondo episode wasn't a bad retread of the 87 series. But Mondo himself is so pointless and useless that it makes the episode not needed. and deletes anything cool about the race that happens later. I had pretty much forgotten then entire plot of the Mega Shredder episode. The actual plot itself wasn't bad. including the creation of the mega mutant. It's the mega mutant itself that gets stupid. from the 'the brain is the tounge' part to mikey surviving being eaten. and the rather pointless turtle mech creation. the entire battle just feels like filler. dino in the sewers WOULD have been OK, but you don't feel for zog in this one. he regains his memories and his feelings and basically turns evil, negating the whole raph bonding thing. therefore his sacrifice feels flat and you don't care. they also basically seem to forget about Krang Prime after this. She seems to vanish totally.
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I'm surprised you didn't like Dinosaur Seen in Sewers. I think that 2012's take was actually more realistic because of the fact that they turtles suffer a realistic consequence for what they did. It's something that's never really touched on in any other version, but it's kind of a messed up thing what they do to Zog. Here's a guy whose delusional and doesn't know what's going on, and the turtles take advantage of him and use him for their own purpose, resulting in his death. Zog in this version regains his sanity and rightly calls them out on it, which was also an effective twist since everyone, being familiar with the old stories, wasn't expecting it. Also, I don't really think his sacrifice fell flat because it wasn't really a sacrifice this time. He let himself die so the rest of the Triceratons could show up, and the emotional payoff is supposed to be less in his death and more in the turtles feeling guilty. EDIT: I TOTALLY forgot about the super retromutagen. That part was also stupid. That was just "we couldn't think of a way to resolve this realistically, here's a solution we pulled out of our butt." Last edited by Zog The Magnificent; 07-19-2021 at 03:09 PM. |
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Exactly how I feel. I loved the first season, the next I really didn't care for..... I find myself going back and watching the first season quite often.
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So, Season 4.
I always enjoyed season 4. It felt MUCH more cohesive. it felt like a different team running it. even with the longer breaks, it didn't feel like anything was forgotten or over looked. the plot stayed consistent. There really isn't a bad episode in the bunch of the space arc. From the Weird World of Worym (Their version of Q or Mr.Mxy), to the odd journey to the center of mikey's mind. Arena of Carnage is kind of boring, since we've seen it done before, but the rest are perfectly fine. The only odd thing : How does Krang Sub Prime keep coming back to life? they kill him each time and somehow he always comes back. That's why I say they forgot about Krang Prime after season 3. He wasn't dead, the drome just sunk back to the ocean. Even Dregg was a bit more likeable this time around. at first I thought it was a bit stupid that they made him more biological than technological....but it does separate him from the krang more. the only thing I didn't like with him was showing that he had a ....robot head? never gets mentioned again and didn't make much sense. and then they kill him off..supposedly. ( think he returns again somehow in season 5?) on the second half now.
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Plus he was send to the Mirage Turtles dimension in the crossover episode which also could well save his ass from getting killed.
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yes, b ut even before that, Bishop supposedly took him out in dimension X AND he came back in transd turtles. So, regardless if he's been killed, somehow he keeps coming back. most likely because they enjoyed godfrieds performance alot.
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Leatherhead eating Krang. And a few issues later... Extremely resilient the Utrom species sure is...
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I abandoned the IDW Turtles stuff wayyyyy back with issue 50. But those panels just above are pretty intriguing to be honest!
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Look them up online, there are plenty of online comics sites which have them, that way you can check them out without having to actually buy the issues.
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Honestly I dropped the title with 50 out of complete boredom with the series. It wasn't until after I dropped it that I started hearing about the woke SJW crap permeating the title. I'd throw some money at it again out of story interest, but I don't give a dime to Woke $#!(, and that's what the title seems geared for from word-of-mouth. If you have a recommendation to sample a digital copy though, please PM me and I might follow your advice. |
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I think at that point it was more just a recurring joke, sort of like how Joker kept clearly dying in the DCAU but then would show up again later no worse for wear.
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I really enjoyed all the eps back on Earth in the backhalf of Season 4 too. The writers knew the show was wrapping up at that point so they were bringing back a ton of characters to close out their plotlines and this continues into Season 5.
I love the gangster characters, Don Vizioso I think his name was? Bebop/Rocksteady were great in all these eps too. |
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