So what's with Mirage purists?

[neatoman]

So lately we have had a certain Mirage purist around here complaining about two design elements that were in not in Mirage but rather added for adaptations, one being being highly recognisable to the point where it will never go away, the other so comparably subtle hardly anyone brings it up and both are intended to fix something that was kind of broken about the Mirage designs. Instead of listening to these points the Mirage purist instead decided to prove that he has the reasoning skills of a donkey.

Which makes me wonder a bit, what's really with the Mirage purists? If they can't accept change in a constantly changing media franchise, not even comparatively minor alterations, then what's really the point of still being a fan? Once Peter Laird finishes the comic (if he does so at all) then that's probably the end of Mirage's TMNT output and the only TMNT material afterwards will most certainly contain many of these differences from the Mirage stories.

[PangolinFeets]

[Bry]

Originally Posted by PangolinFeets

http://i.imgur.com/jukMO4c.jpg

Only response needed. Thread over.

Maybe rename it "what's with people who have different opinions than I do?" for good measure.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So lately we have had a certain Mirage purist around here complaining about two design elements that were in not in Mirage but rather added for adaptations, one being being highly recognisable to the point where it will never go away, the other so comparably subtle hardly anyone brings it up and both are intended to fix something that was kind of broken about the Mirage designs. Instead of listening to these points the Mirage purist instead decided to prove that he has the reasoning skills of a donkey.

Which makes me wonder a bit, what's really with the Mirage purists? If they can't accept change in a constantly changing media franchise, not even comparatively minor alterations, then what's really the point of still being a fan? Once Peter Laird finishes the comic (if he does so at all) then that's probably the end of Mirage's TMNT output and the only TMNT material afterwards will most certainly contain many of these differences from the Mirage stories.

[Mewzard]

Yeah, how dare people have preferences to one interpretation and aspects of it over others that I either like or don't care about! (Sarcasm)

Seriously man, this is pretty thinly veiled. No need to dig on someone who you disagree with.

If you feel strongly about things you like, defend it, but do so in a more dignified manner.

I can hardly be called a purist given I've only been reading Mirage Comics since IDW started reprinting them, vs my fandom starting in the early 90s with the First Movie on, but I also happen to prefer the Red Bandanas and letting personality and gear distinguish them over colors, belts, etc.

Not so much I can't enjoy it otherwise, but still.

People like what they like, and in a fandom with so many different interpretations, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people you'll talk to more, some you'll talk to less, some you'll share little in common with. But it's all good.

All I'm saying is:

[TMNachoT]

I like Mirageverse, it´s my fav comic book version but i´m not that purist and the changes i do not like are not the ones about their skin or the color of the bandanas -or al least not that much- but changes like reincarnation, turtles/splinter mutated on a lab, Splinter and hamato as two differents characters and stuff.

I understand the color skin and different color bandanas are made for merchandise reasons, but the other changes are not necessary, IMO, like there is not sense in changing the way or place they mutated and stuff.

[neatoman]

I'm sorry I let my annoyance get the better of me, I probably shouldn't have made this thread.

It's just that I was really baffled over how such common and (in my opinion) rather insignifigant changes could be discussed to such lengths, especially when so many other more important changes keep happening.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I'm sorry I let my annoyance get the better of me, I probably shouldn't have made this thread.

It's just that I was really baffled over how such common and (in my opinion) rather insignifigant changes could be discussed to such lengths, especially when so many other more important changes keep happening.

Yeah, you really shouldn't have. But it's been entertaining reading!

And we're FANS. This is the INTERNET. How are you baffled? The only Internet staples the Technodrome lacks are cute kittens and big boobs.

[Candy Kappa]

What's the deal with airline food, ammirite?

[Metalhead 2.0]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So lately we have had a certain Mirage purist around here complaining about two design elements that were in not in Mirage but rather added for adaptations, one being being highly recognisable to the point where it will never go away, the other so comparably subtle hardly anyone brings it up and both are intended to fix something that was kind of broken about the Mirage designs. Instead of listening to these points the Mirage purist instead decided to prove that he has the reasoning skills of a donkey.

Which makes me wonder a bit, what's really with the Mirage purists? If they can't accept change in a constantly changing media franchise, not even comparatively minor alterations, then what's really the point of still being a fan? Once Peter Laird finishes the comic (if he does so at all) then that's probably the end of Mirage's TMNT output and the only TMNT material afterwards will most certainly contain many of these differences from the Mirage stories.

Oh are you talking about the colored masks and skin tone threads?
Are those the ones?
amirite?

[HotJuicyBurgers]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah, you really shouldn't have. But it's been entertaining reading!

And we're FANS. This is the INTERNET. How are you baffled? The only Internet staples the Technodrome lacks are cute kittens and big boobs.

I feel like you might not be looking hard enough.

[Andrew NDB]

I hear sometimes on comic book message boards they discuss and debate things. About stuff. And things. And stuff again.

Maybe I heard it wrong. It was an as$hole who told me that.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Which makes me wonder a bit, what's really with the Mirage purists? If they can't accept change in a constantly changing media franchise, not even comparatively minor alterations, then what's really the point of still being a fan?

Good question.

This is actually something we should all -- or any fans of a multimedia fiction franchise -- constantly ask ourselves. To a degree, I think the word "fan" implying any kind of loyalty to something like this is rather unhealthy. It should really just be "I like this story. I like these concepts. I like that version. I like that version too."

Which, hopefully, is what people are doing here. Obviously those who continue to discuss, even at length, these deviations must find something meaningful and enjoyable in the core concepts, or the ones that have carried over. And if you're still following something because you enjoy most of it, it's entirely fair to discuss things you aren't enjoying, or that have at points been done better or differently in the past. Such is the point of discussion.

For the record, though, there are people taking your prescription on not piping up. I rarely chime in on these things any more and genuinely do question whether I'm a fan of any of the concepts that are going to continue to be pushed, or if I just really enjoy the comic Mirage put out and have some nostalgic fondness for the Fred Wolf/Playmates elements. If Mirage discussion died off around here, I'd probably pull a ninja-vanish.

On another, more specific note, I think you may be underplaying the significance of the colored masks a bit, as the represent a pretty cynical deviation from an underground comic into a franchise that was at the whim of decisions made to sell four similar action figures to children (that, we've been told, was the impetus for the different masks, belts, etc., rather than a genuine design concern). And maybe that cynicism is part of the history of the franchise at this point, and something that brought a lot of us to it, but you have to understand the distaste for it continuing to pop up in situations where, as far as we know, the creative team didn't have to do so (except to sell books, maybe, which, hey, gotta do what ya gotta do).

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

http://memecrunch.com/meme/C79C/bill...me-2/image.jpg

I almost pissed, ya f*ck.

neato, I really don't like Mirage much myself, it's a little dry for my tastes, although I don't hate it... but anyways, Andrew's been Ninja Turtling for a good long f*ckin' while, leave him alone. So he's purist and "hardcore" and rigid to the point where you just occasionally want to "accidentally" light him on fire. That's his gimmick, bro! Somebody's gotta be "That Guy". He's good at it.

I mean I usually disagree with about 2/3s of anything he comes up with, most times. But he's good for the house, man, leave him be.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Cipher

For the record, though, there are people taking your prescription on not piping up. I rarely chime in on these things any more and genuinely do question whether I'm a fan of any of the concepts that are going to continue to be pushed, or if I just really enjoy the comic Mirage put out and have some nostalgic fondness for the Fred Wolf/Playmates elements. If Mirage discussion died off around here, I'd probably pull a ninja-vanish.

Perhaps you're just losing interest in the franchise in general going forward, given your negative views on IDW and loss of interest in the Nick cartoon. Kinda odd, I remember you appreciating almost all the different TMNT universes for what they were when you posted more regularly. Granted that was years ago now, so maybe you're more cynical as an adult than when you were in your late teens and early 20's.

[Powder]

As each new iteration rolls out (to much fanfare, my own included) you appreciate it more & more as there's nothing quite like it. With that being said, as time goes on, it's increasingly frustrating when opportunities to take cues from it are wasted in favor of shallow nostalgia-wank or toy sale bait from the (Fred Wolf) cartoon that eternally damned it to mediocrity in a children's demographic.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Cipher

If Mirage discussion died off around here, I'd probably pull a ninja-vanish.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Perhaps you're just losing interest in the franchise in general going forward

I've never had any interest in the "franchise," as it were. If Mirage discussion were to die off entirely, I'd be right behind Cipher. Probably in front of him. Probably with bodyguards in front of us helping us push through the crowd.

[TigerClaw]

Way back then, I tried to get into the mirage comics, but wasn't feeling it because I was used to the 80s cartoon style, I wasn't used to the mirage comics being so dark, and me being the most picky, didn't like that it was black and white but that's just me.

[Bry]

...shocking.

Originally Posted by Powder

As each new iteration rolls out (to much fanfare, my own included) you appreciate it more & more as there's nothing quite like it. With that being said, as time goes on, it's increasingly frustrating when opportunities to take cues from it are wasted in favor of shallow nostalgia-wank or toy sale bait from the (Fred Wolf) cartoon that eternally damned it to mediocrity in a children's demographic.

The plus side is a lot of the people behind the (good) iterations coming out seem to come from a deep appreciation of the E&L material. There's a reason that the different variations that work best have that at their core. Though often striking a balance between that core and the nostalgia-bait Fred Wolf stuff can be a bit... uneven. Or awkward. Or both.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Bry

The plus side is a lot of the people behind the (good) iterations coming out seem to come from a deep appreciation of the E&L material. There's a reason that the different variations that work best have that at their core. Though often striking a balance between that core and the nostalgia-bait Fred Wolf stuff can be a bit... uneven. Or awkward. Or both.

Agreed. People actually don't realize how much we lucked out with IDW and Nick TMNT. It could have turned out like the 2014 movie or worse.

The Nick cartoon could have very well been a very shallow and dumbed down show for 4 year olds but it isn't. The IDW comic could have been terribly written with bad plots and art...but it isn't. Sure its far removed from Mirage but then so was everything before it too like Fred Wolf, 4kids, the 90's movies, Archie, etc...