Sony's Spider-Man 3 (Out of the MCU, Back In Again, and BEYOND)

[Autbot_Benz]

BREAKING Spider-Man is out of the MCU

Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’



EXCLUSIVE: Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige won’t produce any further Spider-Man films because of an inability by Disney and Sony Pictures to reach new terms that would have given the former a co-financing stake going forward. A dispute that has taken place over the past few months at the top of Disney and Sony has essentially nixed Feige, and the future involvement of Marvel from the Spider-Man universe, sources said.

This comes at a moment when the last two films Kevin Feige produced broke all-time records — Disney’s Avengers: Endgame became the highest grossing film of all time, and Spider-Man: Far From Home this week surpassed the James Bond film Skyfall to become the all time highest grossing film for Sony Pictures.



Sources said there are two more Spider-Man films in the works that are meant to have director Jon Watts and Tom Holland front and center. Unless something dramatic happens, Feige won’t be the lead creative producer of those pictures.

There is a lot of webbing here, but it all comes down to money, and it’s easy to understand why both sides refused to give ground. Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat, and I don’t believe they even came back to the table to figure out a compromise. Led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, Sony just simply didn’t want to share its biggest franchise. Sony proposed keeping the arrangement going under the current terms where Marvel receives in the range of 5% of first dollar gross, sources said. Disney refused.

Now, it’s easy to say that Feige has enough on his plate, especially after taking control of the X-Men universe in the Fox acquisition, including the Deadpool franchise, along with architecting the next phase of the Marvel superhero universe and building movies and shows for Disney +. But I’m told Feige loves Spider-Man, arguably the biggest superhero character in the Marvel canon. He would have continued if Disney and Sony could have reached new deal terms.

Essentially Sony has made a decision that is similar to saying, thank you, but we think we can win the championship without Michael Jordan. After all, Feige’s first decade at Marvel is largely unblemished and his consistency has been nothing short of historic: even George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson haven’t seen everything turn into a hit, and so maybe only James Cameron has the success record that Feige has achieved. But Feige has done it all in the last 10 years, producing and overseeing 23 superheros, with not a flop in the bunch. They’ve all been number one openers that have collectively grossed $26.8 billion. Feige this year became the producer of the top grossing film ever for two studios — Sony and Disney — and he produced three of the top four highest grossing films this year in Avengers: Endgame, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: Far From Home. This after scoring the first ever Best Picture Oscar nom for a superhero film last year with Black Panther. I can’t think of a Hollywood producer/executive who has done anything close to this.

And the launch of the new iteration of Spider-Man was done brilliantly with Marvel’s support and help. It has been a boon to both studios. Tom Holland’s character was introduced in the Joe & Anthony Russo-directed 2016 blockbuster Captain America: Civil War, the film that set up the two record breaking Avengers films. Sony’s first rebooted Spidey film, 2017’s Spider-Man: Homecoming, rode that Marvel wave and grossed $880 million worldwide, and then the webslinger was a key character in the two Avengers films, leading to the Spidey sequel that this week became Sony’s top grossing film ever.

Sources said Disney’s top brass for the past several months has sought new terms for Feige and the Marvel cross-pollination to continue. As the Spider-Man relationship grew, Feige and Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman spoke about the possibility of a wider involvement in the Sony-controlled Spider-man universe, which contains 900 characters. I’m told that Feige lent an unofficial hand with the blockbuster Venom, but I’ve also been told that that film was far from the polished product that grossed $856 million worldwide, until Rothman himself spent a good long time in the editing room helping to get it there.

It is understandable that the fiscally shrewd Rothman would balk at giving up half of Sony’s biggest franchise to Marvel. After all, Marvel already owns the merchandising on Spider-Man. Does the Mouse really need half of the movie universe also? Sony so far has decided that as valuable as Feige is, Disney is asking too high a price.

Sources said that Sony reasoned that they will be fine, without Feige. The creative template has been set on the Spider-Man films, and Watt and Holland are in place along with Amy Pascal, who became producer with Feige after she exited the executive suite after presiding over the previous Spider-man iterations directed by Sam Raimi and Marc Webb as Sony Pictures chief.

The Venom sequel is well underway with Andy Serkis directing Tom Hardey, and there is Morbius with Jared Leto, Kraven The Hunter, and another spinoff with the characters Silver Sable and Black Cat. And a Sinister Six film that got shelved. Sony, which once felt the ticking clock of generating a Spider-Man film every three or so years to prevent a rights reversion to Disney, now has plenty of pictures to make. And the studio also won the Best Animated Feature Oscar for Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, a smash hit they made on their own.

No comment from Marvel/Disney, Feige or Sony Pictures.


https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-f...er-1202672545/

[Andrew NDB]

This is Disney playing hardball. Expect them to miraculously reach a new deal in a week or two.

[neatoman]

What the hell? The movie makes over a billion dollars and they still don't think making another is worth it?

[Autbot_Benz]

Blame the walking Cancer to movie studios Tom Rothman it reeks of him

[CyberCubed]

It mostly means Spider-Man won’t be in any future Avengers movies for now, which doesn’t matter much since Avengers is kinda done after Endgame and we see their upcoming movie slate.

Tom Holland is still under contract for 2 more movies with Sony so his movies will continue. You just won’t see Peter whining about Tony Stark anymore which is actually a good thing going forward.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh. Quite the interesting development!

While the MCU has changed a lot of important things in Spiderman lore to make their movies, they're also the only studio to make me enjoy a Spiderman movie.

However, I also enjoyed the Sony Venom movie.

This could be bad, or good, or both. I kinda lean towards both.

[The Deadman]

I jumped on social media and the idiots on Twitter are claiming that since the partnership is dissolved, that means Tom Holland is out as Spider-Man. Like no article has claimed that at all.

[AquaParade]

It is interesting that it wasn't worked into the SonyxMarvel deal.

I'm sure it was discussed.

[Autbot_Benz]

Alfred Molina officially confirms he is back as Doc ock in this movie

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...ck-1234953527/

“When we were shooting it, we were all under orders not to talk about it, because it was supposed to be some great big secret,” Molina said with a laugh during an interview with Variety about his role in the Oscar-nominated “Promising Young Woman.” “But, you know, it’s all over the internet. I actually described myself as the worst kept secret in Hollywood!”

“It was wonderful,” he said. “It was very interesting going back after 17 years to play the same role, given that in the intervening years, I now have two chins, a wattle, crow’s feet and a slightly a slightly dodgy lower back.”

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Alfred Molina officially confirms he is back as Doc ock in this movie

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...ck-1234953527/

Also, his initial appearance in the film will take place mere moments after Spider-Man 2

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Also, his initial appearance in the film will take place mere moments after Spider-Man 2

I knew it! It'll be similar to the Tesseract Beam and the Red Skull. Somehow that sun reactor thing will blast him into the HollandVerse.

I assume he'll somehow be talked into all this being Spiderman's fault. Or that if he wants to go back home he'll have to help them stop Spiderman.

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't think I would "bite" on all of this... but this is all rather exciting to me.

[AquaParade]

I wonder how they will go back on Octavius coming to his senses and finding redemption at the end of 2.

Either way, I'm pretty happy about this. It honestly sounds a little hokey but I've always loved Raimi's take on Spider-Man, so I can't deny this.

[AquaParade]

Does anyone know the current temperature on the rumors surrounding Tobey appearing in Dr. Strange 2? I remember those being pretty reliable, but I can't recall.

That's honestly more interesting to me - seeing Raimi reunite with his version of the character. I'm not sure John Watts is a great director. There may just be too many cooks in the kitchen, but FFH was stinky and I bet Feige knows it.

[AquaParade]

Well apparently the same leaker is saying that Marvel have more control over this film than the previous ones. Thank goodness if that's true. I have to imagine that will help the films improve.

[AquaParade]

I was thinking Happy as well. His role in the Spider-Man films is played out and he'd be a suitable "sacrifice".

[Andrew NDB]

Garfield says he's not in it.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spide...gs.e47d.07ocef

But if you watch the video... Garfield gets super weird and super specific when the interviewer guy asks him to swear on "whatever you've got around there" that he's not in it. Rather than do so, all he says after an awkward pause is, "Well, I never got the call." So... it was an E-mail, then? You know?

Just seems like a bit of a performance here.

[AquaParade]

For an actor, he is a bad liar! Still, there must be a lot of pressure on him to not let anything slip, so I get it.

Notice just how "over the top" he is with his denial.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe he just gets a minor cameo? Obviously people aren't as interested in him returning as Tobey, I imagine he would get the less screentime of the two.

[sdp]

have they gotten the call?