Sony's Spider-Man 3 (Out of the MCU, Back In Again, and BEYOND)

[ProphetofGanja]

I've started rewatching Daredevil to get ready for his return to the MCU (ironic, since his was the first modern Marvel show, right? He was part of the MCU, then he wasn't, now he will be again).

Got my ticket to see Spider-Man next Thursday after work

[ZariusTwo]

[Coola Yagami]

To be honest, I'm no longer watching these. They're barely leaving anything to be surprised at in the actual movie.

[Leo656]

I'm not sure how to break it to you, but if any movie is only enjoyable based on the strength of its "surprises", then the actual movie itself isn't very good.

Which is why I absolutely drown myself in spoilers and in turn thoroughly enjoy about 99% of the things I watch. The pity I feel for people who obstinately insist that they actually like surprises (in spite of a gigantic mountain of scientific study and evidence which speaks completely to the contrary) is real.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm not sure how to break it to you, but if any movie is only enjoyable based on the strength of its "surprises", then the actual movie itself isn't very good.

Which is why I absolutely drown myself in spoilers and in turn thoroughly enjoy about 99% of the things I watch. The pity I feel for people who obstinately insist that they actually like surprises (in spite of a gigantic mountain of scientific study and evidence which speaks completely to the contrary) is real.

Being surprised doesn't make the movie better, it's just fun.

Just like opening presents under the tree. The gift isn't better because you were surprised by it. It was just fun to live out the moment of opening it up and learning firsthand.

Ever since some studies came out citing that people enjoy things more when they know how they play out, this sort of rhetoric has formed that surprises are worthless.
While I agree that

A.a movie should be more than the sum of it's surprises.
and
B. it's generally easier to enjoy a story once your expectations are out of the way...
that doesn't mean there is no enjoyment in the act of being surprised.

[Leo656]

I love it whenever the Exact Person who I was baiting to respond with a particular post does indeed respond. Good to know my manipulative powers are still in good working order, even in such uncertain times.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I love it whenever the Exact Person who I was baiting to respond with a particular post does indeed respond. Good to know my manipulative powers are still in good working order, even in such uncertain times.

It's nice to be thought of.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

To be honest, I'm no longer watching these. They're barely leaving anything to be surprised at in the actual movie.

Sony has a pretty bad habit of this. I always try to avoid their trailers, at least after the first one.

[Leo656]

Here's one for Cubed: "Male Bisexuality is a Real Thing, and NOT just a pit stop on a guy's path to Full Blown Gay-Town."

Let's see if he bites. He's been iffy lately.

[AquaParade]

My little pony is not for grown men.

[Leo656]

Let's not say things we can't take back. This could get really ugly really fast and I don't think anyone wants that.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, the timing can't be coincidence. No Way Home with Matt Murdock in it hits this coming Wednesday at most theaters... same day as episode 5 of Hawkeye, which is supposed to be all about the Kingpin.

Will be a nice week for Daredevil fans.

Funny you should mention Hawkeye...I'm sure you spotted the Rogers: The Musical posters.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm not sure how to break it to you, but if any movie is only enjoyable based on the strength of its "surprises", then the actual movie itself isn't very good.

Not so much surprise-surprise as in 'OMG I NEVER SAW THAT COMING'. I just mean surprise as in I'd actually want to see the actual movie without all the major scenes being ruined by the trailers. As it is, there's barely any 'new footage' left to see if they keep sneaking more new scenes in trailers.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

Funny you should mention Hawkeye...I'm sure you spotted the Rogers: The Musical posters.

In what? In Spider-Man?

[ProphetofGanja]

It's in the opening scene they posted on YouTube, pretty sure. Don't think it's really meant to serve as anything other than a little reminder that "everything is connected" and all these stories are taking place in the same world (for now)

I wonder if a tease for Multiverse of Madness will come as one of the post-credits scenes

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not so much surprise-surprise as in 'OMG I NEVER SAW THAT COMING'. I just mean surprise as in I'd actually want to see the actual movie without all the major scenes being ruined by the trailers. As it is, there's barely any 'new footage' left to see if they keep sneaking more new scenes in trailers.

It's a legit concern, man. Most people feel this way. The popular contrarian take as of late is "I don't care about spoilers, and neither do you, you just don't realize it."

If you ask me, there is some truth to the fact that knowing the outcome of the story helps you digest and appreciate it. The mind-blowing part is that two things can be true at once:
A. It's easier to appreciate a story once you understand the full scope of it.
B. People enjoy being surprised in the moment.
It's hilarious to me when people try to convince others what they do and don't enjoy.

Btw, I know you believe you like ice cream, but I read a study that says you don't, so don't complain if I eat yours.

[Andrew NDB]

There definitely have been examples of me spoiling myself on something, not liking what I read or heard... but between being spoiled and seeing the thing, I become able to process it to where it doesn't bother me, or bothers me much less than if I was just walking into it blind.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There definitely have been examples of me spoiling myself on something, not liking what I read or heard... but between being spoiled and seeing the thing, I become able to process it to where it doesn't bother me, or bothers me much less than if I was just walking into it blind.

For sure. I don't dispute this at all. For me, hype and expectations tend to leave me disappointed. So, once I know all the spoilers, how the plot plays out, etc. then I can truly enjoy the movie for what it is, instead of crying about what it is not. Knowing spoilers can help you appreciate the story. No argument there.

The caveat is the fact that it's simply fun to be surprised. There is a level of enjoyment to going into an experience fresh and seeing it play out first hand, when you don't know what is going to happen. It's fun to tear away the wrapping and see the gift underneath. It doesn't make the gift better, but it is it's own form of pleasure. One truth doesn't negate the other.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

For sure. I don't dispute this at all. For me, hype and expectations tend to leave me disappointed. So, once I know all the spoilers, how the plot plays out, etc. then I can truly enjoy the movie for what it is, instead of crying about what it is not. Knowing spoilers can help you appreciate the story. No argument there.

The caveat is the fact that it's simply fun to be surprised. There is a level of enjoyment to going into an experience fresh and seeing it play out first hand, when you don't know what is going to happen. It's fun to tear away the wrapping and see the gift underneath. It doesn't make the gift better, but it is it's own form of pleasure. One truth doesn't negate the other.

Yeah. What I sometimes do, though, which is a little counter... I'll look at spoilers and spoil myself, brace myself for them. But then maybe I see other "spoilers" that turn out to be bogus rumors, at the same time. So now I see a thing already having been spoiled, but fingers crossed for the other, fake spoilers to be true and then getting disappointed.

Can't win!

[frank_one]

I remember years ago I wanted to see a movie so badly that I ended up downloading it through some torrents. The next day I went to the theater and watched it a second time enjoying it even more than the first one. That's how much I care about spoilers.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by frank_one

I remember years ago I wanted to see a movie so badly that I ended up downloading it through some torrents. The next day I went to the theater and watched it a second time enjoying it even more than the first one. That's how much I care about spoilers.

This is part of what's interesting as well - no one has the same definition of "spoiler". For you, Frank_One, watching the movie by way of torrent seems to be a "spoiler", but to me, that's just watching the movie and experiencing it first-hand.

But then again, maybe you downloaded an extremely blurry version that was hardly worth watching, other then to be "spoiled".

Either way, it makes sense to me that you'd enjoy it more the second time, not only because you've had your expectations put in their place (yes, the power of being "spoiled"), but also because you were watching on a giant screen with surround sound.

So there's a lot to consider, imo.

I "love" when people preface themselves in a review discussion by saying "This isn't a spoiler, but...", because it usually is a spoiler by most definitions. Again, we all define "spoiler" a little differently, so there is no consensus, but typically when someone feels the need to say that, it usually is something that does wade into "spoiler" territory. Otherwise, they'd just say what they were going to say without hesitation.

Hopefully it's clear that I'm not the biggest stickler for spoilers or anything. I know 75% of No Way Home's plot by choice. I just think there is a lot of interesting discussion around the topic.