Sony's Spider-Man 3 (Out of the MCU, Back In Again, and BEYOND)

[Shark_Blade]

Eddie’s boyfriend for life is Venom so...

[AT-Man]

[Xav]

Sony And Disney Meeting Again Next Week To Discuss Spider-Man

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Xav

Sony And Disney Meeting Again Next Week To Discuss Spider-Man

Don't use wegotthiscovered they are a huge clickbait site that just makes up articles for clicks.

[Autbot_Benz]

Door is officially closed on Spider-Man and the MCU for now.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/s...ef-1203324907/

More proof Wegotthiscovered is a ******** site and should not be used.

[AquaParade]

I guess I'm going to try again to like the Venom movie. Wish me luck. I hope they speed past the Venom crossover and do something...groundbreaking (hehe)...with Kraven.

[CyberCubed]

I watched the Venom movie, it's not very good. It falls apart as it goes on and it just feels weird to watch in general.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I watched the Venom movie, it's not very good. It falls apart as it goes on and it just feels weird to watch in general.

I didn't like it either. I'm mostly joking, because they seem intent on doing a Spider-Man x Venom crossover, which I have about a 1% interest in. I feel like they are capable of doing something great but that isn't it.

There were reports that the Kraven script featured Spider-Man. Branching off of that idea is something that potentially excites me. Maybe the Sony Spider-Man universe could consist of:

A - a mainline series building off of Homecoming, FFH, with returning director, Jon Watts, to keep things cohesive and

B - Solo villain films that may also feature Tom Holland's Spider-Man - Venom 2, Kraven: the Hunter, Morbius 2.

While Sony and Jon Watts will have a closer eye on the mainline series, the "spin-off" films might be lower budget and a bit riskier. You keep them self-contained so that even if they stink things up a bit, the mainline series won't be dependent on them to be relevant.
It also allows Sony to keep the mainline Spider-Man series family friendly, while pleasing older fans with an edgier, character focused, maybe even "R-rated" film like "Kraven's Last Hunt" - this might be something that becomes very appealing if "Joker" is a big hit this Fall.

Just having fun brainstorming here a bit. It may not be the most likely outcome, but it seems plausible, and an idea I could get behind, if we won't be getting Spider-Man back in the MCU, which is what most of us really want, of course.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was surprised that I enjoyed Venom more than I expected, but I'm a pretty big Tom Hardy fanboy.

I'm pretty sure if I were a Spiderman fan, I'd have hated it.

[Jester]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Sony thinks they can do a Spider-man 3 movie after how much they've leaned into the MCU in the previous 2 films. I've jokingly said in the past that of all the MCU movies, the one to reference previous movies the most seem to be Sony Spider-man films. Iron-man and his characters at the very least (I mean, freakin' Happy Hogan is dating his aunt) are almost inextricable from that universe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Sony thinks they can do a Spider-man 3 movie after how much they've leaned into the MCU in the previous 2 films. I've jokingly said in the past that of all the MCU movies, the one to reference previous movies the most seem to be Sony Spider-man films. Iron-man and his characters at the very least (I mean, freakin' Happy Hogan is dating his aunt) are almost inextricable from that universe.

Yeah, it's pretty wild. I get why a lot of Spiderman fans hate the MCU movies... Spidey barely has anything truly his own in those movies.

That's a big plus on Sony's side. I still think things will crash and burn, but at least we won't go three for three on Spiderman villains all having a hate-boner for Tony Stark.

What's worse is, Norman Osborn and Doc Ock could have both EASILY been retrofitted for Tony Stark haters. The Lizard, too, come to think of it... anybody with a tech or business background.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah, it's pretty wild. I get why a lot of Spiderman fans hate the MCU movies... Spidey barely has anything truly his own in those movies.

There's also the "These movies have as much in common with actual comic book Spider-Man as my ass does" issue. At least for me. Probably others as well.

As a general rule, if your "comic book movie" has nothing in common with the source material besides a superficial costume resemblance, then I don't care about your comic book movie.

And it's "Spider-Man", f*ck-face. Respect the hyphen.

[Andrew NDB]

Still... even if Feige isn't a producer on 3 and there is no firm contractual agreement between Marvel and Sony, there is nothing that says they can't come to a case-by-case understanding on this or that going forward.

i.e., we want Norman Osborne for these 2 movies. OK, we want Nick Fury and Happy Hogan for SM3. That sort of thing. Piecemeal.

It's really in neither party's interest to pretend the other side of the fence suddenly doesn't exist anymore... UNLESS Sony screws the pooch on their next movies. In which case Marvel can just pretend they don't exist and ask fans to "only remember the good times," while Sony crawls back to the table.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

And it's "Spider-Man", f*ck-face. Respect the hyphen.

Yeah, I don't care enough. Including a hyphen seems like a real uber-fan thing to do.

But if you insist. I like Bat-man and Super-man better than Spiderman.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Still... even if Feige isn't a producer on 3 and there is no firm contractual agreement between Marvel and Sony, there is nothing that says they can't come to a case-by-case understanding on this or that going forward.

i.e., we want Norman Osborne for these 2 movies. OK, we want Nick Fury and Happy Hogan for SM3. That sort of thing. Piecemeal.

It's really in neither patty's interest to pretend the other side of the fence suddenly doesn't exist anymore... UNLESS Sony screws the pooch on their next movies. In which case Marvel can just pretend they don't exist and ask fans to "only remember the good times," while Sony crawls back to the table.

That's pretty likely, yeah. Piecemeal character trades.

But Sony ain't gonna care enough about frickin' Hogan. Fury, though, that'd be worth giving up Norman Osborn for a movie or two.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Including a hyphen seems like a real uber-fan thing to do.

You also spelled "Über" wrong.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

You also spelled "Über" wrong.

Ain't nobody got time for a damn umlat.

[Leo656]

You don't get to decide arbitrary punctuation/capitalization on Proper Names and Titles, guy. Those decisions are made way above your pay grade.

[raph27]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Still... even if Feige isn't a producer on 3 and there is no firm contractual agreement between Marvel and Sony, there is nothing that says they can't come to a case-by-case understanding on this or that going forward.

i.e., we want Norman Osborne for these 2 movies. OK, we want Nick Fury and Happy Hogan for SM3. That sort of thing. Piecemeal.

It's really in neither party's interest to pretend the other side of the fence suddenly doesn't exist anymore... UNLESS Sony screws the pooch on their next movies. In which case Marvel can just pretend they don't exist and ask fans to "only remember the good times," while Sony crawls back to the table.

That's a good point I hadn't thought of before. It makes me think of the deal that fell through to put the Oscorp building from TASM into the first Avengers. (Though before Holland officially came in, I liked the theory that the reason there were so many cranes in NYC at the end of TASM was that they were cleaning up after the Chitauri invasion.)

Honestly, the best thing to hope for is that "Sony suits" don't come and bungle things up, even though we all know they will. You would think the lesson would be learned after so much stuff crammed into Raimi 3 and TASM2 that they would have learned, especially since Spiderverse was so good and that was allowed to be independent of all that baggage.

Now that I say that, I hope Sony doesn't force their studio checklist into a Spiderverse sequel.

[Autbot_Benz]

Simple keep Tom Rothman Amy Pascal Avi Arad the other sony stooges away from the Spider-Man movies.

[raph27]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Simple keep Tom Rothman Amy Pascal Avi Arad the other sony stooges away from the Spider-Man movies.

Well yeah, but the fact that they have a Morbius movie among like five other spinoffs all planned is proof that they don't have the self-control.