Unrest in Ukraine

[MikeandRaph87]

I hadn't watched regular Nick since the premiere of Rise except for Full House repeats I put on the DVR and just the commercials I saw with the credits showed heavy indoctrination. I had paid no mind to it until I heard my cousin banned her five year old daughter from watching Nickelodeon.


Back on topic, it appears Biden thinks that Russia can be economical crippled and no military action will take place to aid The Ukraine. If no helps militarily than Ukraine falls.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-looks-t...205959251.html

It seems 1,750 Russians have been arrested in Moscow protesting Putin's bullying The Ukraine.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

It seems 1,750 Russians have been arrested in Moscow protesting Putin's bullying The Ukraine.

Bullying Ukraine? People are getting killed. There are bodies in the streets. There's about 50 videos you can watch right now and see.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Bullying Ukraine? People are getting killed. There are bodies in the streets. There's about 50 videos you can watch right now and see.

Perhaps 'bullying' is too soft a word, but yes, Putin is trying to recreate the USSR of his youth. I just don't think economic sanctions are enough. Someone has to go in and save these people. Ukraine cannot defend itself.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Putin has started a war.
Hopefully it will be his last war and the last war for this iteration of Russia.
Prayers and strength to the Ukraine.


Are you an idiot? No, seriously, do you seriously judge the world by comic books and action movies?


It is clearly an irony. Drink less left kool-aid, before you start growing sickles and hammers, instead of brain.

You're the weird one who confusingly decided on the Batman angle for some odd reason, as if your leader is somehow immortal and unable to be defeated by real life mortal humans, but sure, okay.

So what are you doing to stop it then? Because what's happening to Ukraine is horrible. Why have people in your nation allowed Putin to even stay in power this long instead of doing whatever was needed to oust him.

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That poor country, I can't believe what is even being done to them. Having the news on in the background last night and overhearing the air raid sirens live was chilling enough from here, I can't imagine having to face that in person.

[CyberCubed]

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/enterta...agenda-to-kids

Really disgusting. Sadly, not at all surprising.

"We're totally not trying to program and indoctrinate your kids, you guys. But hang on a minute while we program and indoctrinate your kids."

You don't have to be in any way homophobic to realize and understand that trying to push that kind of thing on three and four year olds simply is not appropriate.

[Galactus]

Other than blind partisan-ship I don't see how anyone could reasonably think this wouldn't have happened under Trump. Trump spent most of his time palling around with despots in Saudi Arabia, China and Russia in particular. Why does anyone think he'd stand up to these people after spending so much time ingratiating himself to them? Then there's the fact that his first impeachment was about applying pressure to the Ukraine by withholding aid. Granted his reason for doing that was allegedly because he wanted them to spy on Joe Biden but regardless of his motivation that alone should be evidence enough that he'd never side the the Ukraine against Putin. Even the statement that he put out on the issue he can't do a full throated condemnation of Putin's actions and is basically praising him for his "genius" by declaring a portion of Ukraine independent and suggests that he totally should have invaded Mexico in the same way.

Sadly I don't see Biden's or anyone else's sanctions as the answer. Putin doesn't really care about the effect that this will have on his own citizens and and he's way too driven to reclaim everything he feels Russia has lost that anything less than other countries sending their own troops in to help Ukraine would ever deter him.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Rational people are walking away in droves from the liberal assault and the "woe-is-me-I'll-blame-an-ism" culture. YouTubers are getting more views that the Crap News Network.

According to the linked article this is a very sharp drop off after having very good ratings earlier this year. Clearly something happened there that's worthy of discussion and study...still I wonder why it's only comment worthy now that their ratings have dropped and not when they were getting high ratings. No one was saying then "rational people are flocking to CNN in droves after right wing assaults and victim blaming culture". How are the other center-left networks doing? MSNBC seems to be a much bigger target for the political right to moan about being 'woke' but I imagine they aren't doing too bad otherwise we'd never hear the end of it. Fox News had a large slump itself after Biden was sworn in. They've since bounced back but not to the point they were. Sadly in this case it was viewers tuning out for even more extreme voices online. While I don't rate the mainstream media I don't think anyone should be cheering for it's downfall in favour of youtube. As much as I think that Fox News is the absolute worst there is at least some lines that even they wont cross - like as far as I can see all but Hannity are saying this invasion is bad whereas there are some big named right wing youtubers trying to pass it off as good thing.

Now with that out of the way...what has that got to do with anything?

The political right in the US has a multitude of horrible tactics but the ability to distract from big issues by deflecting to culture wars ones has got to be their worst. There's been a sharp rise in white nationalism, a deadly virus has swept across the globe and a bunch of people who thought the former president was communicating with them on a board for anime tried to launch a violent coup on the nations capital that resulted in people dying...and right wing pundits insist the things you should really be mad at are gender pronouns, football players kneeling and whether the green M&M is sexy enough.

Originally Posted by Leo656

We're totally not trying to program and indoctrinate your kids, you guys. But hang on a minute while we program and indoctrinate your kids."

You don't have to be in any way homophobic to realize and understand that trying to push that kind of thing on three and four year olds simply is not appropriate.

You don't have to be a raving SJW to realise and understand that the Christian Broadcasting Network might have a very skewed view on this issue. I don't watch much children's television but I'm sure there is an agenda but I don't see that as a bad thing. As acceptance of LGBTQ people slowly happens kids will naturally see more of it in their everyday lives. Their friend with two moms or their teacher who is trans plus some of these kids will grow up and realise they are queer or trans themselves so it's good to have media that so it's a good thing to have programming that says these are things that exist and it's okay. The people getting mad about this were decades ago getting mad at the purple teletubby. We look back and think that was ridiculous as I'm sure people ten years from now will think the criticism of today's kids shows was stupid.

[Leo656]

Four year old kids don't need to be told about some stuff. Let them find out about it at a more age-appropriate time.

This is why we suddenly have a swarm of kids who are so young they need to be reminded not to sh*t their pants declaring themselves to be "LGBTQ" when they couldn't even tell you what it means. Kids that young are only barely capable of independent thought, they mostly parrot what they hear other people say. And if they hear people say, "It's okay for boys to wear dresses and girls to have dicks," they'll repeat that. And again, they don't even know what it means yet. BUT, we're supposed to indulge them and allow them to take experimental hormones and undergo elective surgeries anyway. Which to me is "programming". Which isn't right.

Also, schools think it's MORE important, at present, to teach That Stuff to kids - along with a hefty dose of "Whitey Is The Devil" - instead of things like basic reading, math, and science skills. Kids are graduating high school who can't even read BUT they can tell you the entire history of the LGBTQ "struggle" in detail over the last hundred years. Priorities, at present, are completely skewed, and it starts with what we present to kids.

When kids get closer to puberty, they can start learning about it Then at the same time they start learning about everything else relating to sexuality because that's when it becomes relevant to them. Not at an age when they should still be playing with Legos and sh*t.

Should we just start letting kids as young as three or four watch hardcore porn, "since they're gonna learn about it anyway and there's really nothing wrong with it in the first place, so we may as well normalize it"? Most people would say "No, don't be ridiculous". But it's really not very far away from what people are already pushing for.

Again, people who lean more left have a VERY hard time recognizing that most peoples' points of view aren't black-and-white but rather have many degrees and lots of nuance. Most people who don't want children's programming inundated with Gay Stuff don't have any problem with gay people. They just think it's not appropriate for kids. Just like some of the books that are so controversial in schools at the moment. SOME people want them eliminated altogether, but not MOST people. MOST people simply don't think those books are appropriate for a school library, specifically, especially certain topics which may be put in the hands of people too young for the material. In theory, most of the people protesting said books wouldn't have an issue with them being in a regular public library, they just don't want it in a SCHOOL setting, because in that setting those materials are not appropriate. Just like you wouldn't stock copies of Hustler at your local school library, either.

But again. "Liberals" and "Nuance" are not great bedfellows. You're either "accept everything" or "You're a Bigot".

I can assure you, nobody has less of a problem with gay people than I do. I keep saying this. I just don't think certain things are appropriate for young kids. That doesn't make me or anyone who feels that way a bad person. The fact is, it's how MOST parents feel but they're too scared to say so out loud because of the current social climate. I myself am not a parent, but plenty of people I know are. Including one of my gay friends who has a kid. And HE even thinks this "social programming" stuff is completely bananas and that they shouldn't push it on young kids. Again, he's a gay man in a relationship who's raising a child. In his opinion, some things are not age appropriate for very young children.

I'd love to see someone call him a misguided, closed-minded bigot. He's about 6'4, 275lbs of solid muscle and I can attest from experience that he can throw the average person pretty far. Again, I would LOVE for someone to tell that guy he has the wrong idea about this kind of thing. It'd be fun to watch that "conversation".

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

Trump was unpredictable and Putin couldn't count on him doing exactly what he wanted.

Sleepy Brandon - on the other hand, is extremely predictable. He is basically like Obama - all words, no bite. And sanctions means nothing to Putler - he just let his pet brainwashers to convince population that sanctions are done, because, Russia is so amazing and everyone are jealous. Basically like any authoritarian country does.

[Galactus]

This is were the word 'sexuality' is an ill fit for the discussion as it allows people to frame the argument about is it appropriate for young children to learn about sex - something we can all agree is wrong - as opposed to whether they should learn about other lifestyles.

It's not a case were they will learn about it eventually, as the LGBTQ community continues to slowly gain acceptance they are will also feel free to be themselves in public without fear of repurcussions and kids are going to see it all around them. They'll see a guy kissing his husband goodbye as he goes to work, they'll see two woman holding hands walking down the street and more. None of that is sexual in any way nor is it innapropriate for a child. Programming that sends the message explicitly or not that it's okay to be LGBTQ is no more indoctrination than those moral lessons at the end of He-Man or GI Joe. Perhaps a better analogy would be Captain Planet which was purely a vehicle for an environmentalist message. Funnily enough it didn't brainwash our generation into all joining Green Peace...although if it taught a few people to respect the environment than I'd say that's a good thing.

I'm sure your gay friend genuinely believes that having anything LGBTQ in children's programming is indoctrination but there are gay people who also don't believe in equal marriage neither is a popular view in the gay community. There are many reasons why a few gay people gravitate to these views (which they are perfectly entitled to have) but they shouldn't be held up as an example of why it's wrong to have any pro gay message in children's entertainment.

There is no school anywhere that teaches the "the entire history of the gay struggle" and no one teaches them to hate white people. In most US schools lessons about race tend to stop at the voting rights act. The mere suggestion that it should go beyond that (or to go into greater depth about the civil rights movement) has had right wingers protesting in the streets about critical race theory. None of the above is going to teach kids that being straight and white is bad and those who think otherwise are the ones who really struggle with nuance.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Galactus

no one teaches them to hate white people. In most US schools lessons about race tend to stop at the voting rights act. The mere suggestion that it should go beyond that (or to go into greater depth about the civil rights movement) has had right wingers protesting in the streets about critical race theory. None of the above is going to teach kids that bring straight and white is bad and those who think otherwise are the ones who really struggle with nuance.

Bullllllshiiiiiiiiiit. I've seen multiple stories in the news of parents raising hell specifically because their five or six-year old kids came home crying and asking "Am I evil?" because they were white and something in their Kindergarten or First Grade Class curriculum more or less said so.

And like "sexuality", stuff like "The entire system is racist," "All white people are inherently prejudiced", etc. etc. is NOT stuff you need to be filling kids' heads up with at that age.

You can say "Nobody is pushing this stuff on little kids" all day long. You're wrong. They are, and it's not right.

Kindergarteners and First Graders need to be working on spelling, colors, shapes, and 2+2=4. Not "Boys can wear dresses" and "Don't Trust Whitey." It's bullsh*t. Parents don't want their taxes paying for that sh*t, and they're right to fight back on it.

Also, as Andrew and others have pointed out in the past... race relations were a LOT better on the whole 20-30 years ago, when kids were basically taught the opposite of what they're being taught now. Back then, "Race doesn't matter, treat people as People." Now it's "Race absolutely matters, and by the way, the whole game is fixed against you if you're not white." Lo and behold, people who are raised with that attitude are PROVEN to become angry, maladjusted malcontents who don't apply themselves in any meaningful way to become contributors to society because "Why bother? The whole game is rigged anyway."

Trust me, I've worked alongside a lot of black people who grew up being taught "Whitey is the devil." They're lazy, entitled assholes, mad at the world and contribute nothing. And it's all because they were taught from a very young age, be it from family or school or whoever, "All white people are bad, they'll never let you get ahead so it's pointless to TRY to get ahead. Just sell drugs and try and stay off the radar."

Meanwhile, the black people who were raised with the "People are People" mentality are hard-working, not-bitter, and high-achieving. Go figure.

It's like if you TELL people from birth that they're gonna be forced into "Perpetual Victim" status by a society that's biased against them, they start believing it and stop applying themselves.

Things were better off before. When all the racial tension stuff was considered "the past", and the fact that a few bad apples still exist did not altogether mean that "EVERYONE is Racist", which is what people are being taught Now. It's toxic, it poisons minds, and it needs to stop. It DEFINITELY has no place in any classroom.

The current situation is 100% "thanks" to race-hustling, ambulance-chasing instigators like Al Sharpton, who if they weren't seeing make-believe Racist Bogeymen in every passing cloud they'd have nothing at all to do with themselves and so they manufactured an issue that isn't actually real so that they could remain relevant (and also, get rich). The fact that so many people fall for that bullsh*t is insane. But again, if you scream lies at people long enough, you wear them down and they start believing you.

It's f*cked up. The whole thing is f*cked up.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Trump was unpredictable and Putin couldn't count on him doing exactly what he wanted.

Exactly. And then the media actually helped Trump out (well, I mean helped us out, and by that I really mean Ukraine) by constantly asserting everyday, "Trump is going to start World War III next week!" and "We need new laws or Trump is going to just start launching nukes at China, North Korea!!!" Whether he believed that garbage or not, that had to give Putin pause. He didn't have the 40 years to look back on of failures as a politician he has now with Biden as he did with Trump. He had like months, a year or two nearing the end, during which he was always unpredictable.

Sleepy Brandon - on the other hand, is extremely predictable. He is basically like Obama - all words, no bite.

The few words he can string together that make any sense.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Also, as Andrew and others have pointed out in the past... race relations were a LOT better on the whole 20-30 years ago, when kids were basically taught the opposite of what they're being taught now. Back then, "Race doesn't matter, treat people as People." Now it's "Race absolutely matters, and by the way, the whole game is fixed against you if you're not white."

"There's racism everywhere! We must fight for equality!" Then if you say, "I don't think there's racism everywhere and I think we're pretty much there in terms of equality. It is you who are forcing this new sort of inequality" then you get this:

[IMJ]

On that note....



And at the "how do you know?" assault/defense.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

Really? I don't have to wonder at all. Take the guard dog away from the sheep pen and you invite the wolves in.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Really? I don't have to wonder at all. Take the guard dog away from the sheep pen and you invite the wolves in.

I’ll be honest I suspect things would be different if it were Trump in office but ultimately who knows? I’m more irritated by all the liberal responses when legitimate questions and concerns are being addressed regarding Biden’s obvious mishandling of this situation, and the liberal response is something like “well Trump wouldn’t have done any better!”

It’s irrelevant what Trump would have done and all that matters is how the current boiled potato in office is fumbling the ball every time it’s handed to him.

I wonder if all we will hear about for the most part is Biden’s Supreme Court nomination and how great he is for being brave enough to nominate a black female for the position? Because you know black female is a super important requirement to the highest court in America.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

I wonder if all we will hear about for the most part is Biden’s Supreme Court nomination...

If that's all you're hearing about then your sources are excluding part of the news.

Yeah, I wish he'd come out tougher on it, though I wasn't able to watch his speech on it yesterday so not sure how that went. He's not a bag of hot air the way Trump was, spouting off "tough guy" words that result in little, so no, he doesn't sound as strong because he focuses more on the real work of it, not just making a superficial display to the public.

But he and other world leaders have been in discussions virtually, they're using sanctions etc, that Putin was predictable in not caring about, but the decisions also have to be a multi-country effort, not just the U.S. going in guns blazing on our dime and stepping on the toes of those countries far more local to Russia, including possible next targets of Putin's, and need to have a bigger voice on the matter.

And being Russia we're talking about, that does need rather careful decision making. That's not dealing with an nest of flustered honey bees, it's trying to figure out how to strategically punt a nest of murder hornets.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

He's not a bag of hot air the way Trump was, spouting off "tough guy" words that result in little

But that's exactly the point: they result in little. As in no foreign superpowers making any moves on his watch, because they were scared Trump would swat them.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

One theory of mine as to why the invasion of Ukraine is happening now rather than earlier or later is that Putin is 69 years old, and fearful of his death to come, whether it be from old age or an assasination attempt. As such, he wants to see his vision of the Soviet-era borders restored before he dies, and he knows that now is a better time than ever because of American instability, and the reluctance of the Western Powers to directly send in troops.

I don't think the sanctions will have any signficant effect either, Russia is a vast country with a lot of natural resources, not to mention the backing of countries like China.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

If that's all you're hearing about then your sources are excluding part of the news.

I did say “I wonder” not “I’m hearing from my sources...”

Please don’t kid yourself into thinking the media doesn’t use misdirection. I think you’re smarter than that.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But that's exactly the point: they result in little. As in no foreign superpowers making any moves on his watch, because they were scared Trump would swat them.

Even if true I doubt that would have lasted him a second term. Putin is smart enough that he'd have caught on anyhow that it's all useless hot air and that Trump's apparent idolizing of Putin may well have resulted in a weak response from him.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

As such, he wants to see his vision of the Soviet-era borders restored before he dies

Good point, and if he cares more about seeing that happen than the state he leave his own nation and citizens in, then why not go for it now when he won't have to worry about any of that after he's dead and won't be his problem.