The 2024 presidential election

[TurtleManiac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Why is he a back-stabber? Just because Trump is upset DeSantis wasn't "loyal" in his going for the republican nomination, that he should just voluntarily sit out the race and let Trump have it uncontested because Trump claims to have helped him out in becoming governor? Because that's a silly standard.

Trump’s endorsement did help him become governor. Would have been nice to see DeSantis as his 2024 running mate, or even just an endorsement. But instead he waited until Biden’s DOJ starts persecuting Trump to announce his own Presidential run, and split the (R) vote. Almost as if he’s counting on Trump to be arrested by Biden’s DOJ and removed from the ballot, in order for DeSantis to become the (R) nominee.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

Would have been nice to see DeSantis as his 2024 running mate

That could still happen. Both Biden and Harris were going after the democratic nomination but Biden still gave her the VP job.

But instead he waited until Biden’s DOJ starts persecuting Trump to announce his own Presidential run, and split the (R) vote.

Which is pretty meaningless since we're just talking about the nomination, which Trump seems to have in the bag. It's not even close.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Are you really claiming that the right and the left have both gone more right in the past decade? I mean...just on a bare bones subject...how many people on 'the left' (democrats) would have been pro gay marriage, pro-porn in middle school, or pro-pronouns a decade ago?

The Republican Party certainly has (note I use the word “party” here and not voters/supporters as there’s always people who swap votes each election) and its policies. Democrats I’d say have roughly stayed put, but that’s still notably right of centre, and about where the Conservative Party here in the UK used to sit before the recent Brexit/ERG/backhanders and lurch against immigrants and poor people to distract the gammons from the fact they are snouts in trough until hopefully they get kicked out next year.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That could still happen. Both Biden and Harris were going after the democratic nomination but Biden still gave her the VP job.



Which is pretty meaningless since we're just talking about the nomination, which Trump seems to have in the bag. It's not even close.

Just curiosity, not trolling, I'm curious as to your reasoning of how Trumps 'has it in the bag'. One one side it seems more people hate him than ever before, but on the other side it seems every time he gets a new charge or indictment, his followers are like 'wow, are they trying to just give him the election on a silver platter?"

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Just curiosity, not trolling, I'm curious as to your reasoning of how Trumps 'has it in the bag'.

I'm talking about the republican nomination. That's in the bag for sure. The election itself after he gets the nomination? I'm not so optimistic at all. I just don't see him winning over any independent voters and certainly not any "Never Trump"ers. At best, with Trump, the only hope is that enough democrat voters are fed up enough with things that they just stay home on election day to make a difference, because that's the only way there's a Trump victory.

One one side it seems more people hate him than ever before, but on the other side it seems every time he gets a new charge or indictment, his followers are like 'wow, are they trying to just give him the election on a silver platter?"

It only helps him win the nomination within his own party. Average voters or independents aren't suddenly turning around going, "Oh wow, they really are going after him! I'm changing my vote to Trump!" That's not a thing, no matter how much Trump wants it to be.

[IMJ]

I don't think he neccessarily has it 'in the bag', but I will say that the more they persecute and prosecute the more he is going to sway centered voters over to him if he continues to come out of it clean.

And to be honest at this point it doesn't really matter because none of it is really "hidden past reveals" anymore. It's all about content that the public either already agrees with or doesn't so basically it's clear to everyone at this point that this is vendetta. That can actually only help his votes rather than smear him at this point.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I don't think he neccessarily has it 'in the bag', but I will say that the more they persecute and prosecute the more he is going to sway centered voters over to him if he continues to come out of it clean.

Voters don't have anything to do with him winning the nomination. And I'm thinking most people are just getting tired of hearing about charges against Trump in general, even if he keeps coming out clean.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd say if the LBGT crowd keeps pushing it, they might accidentally push Trump into office.

I remember people on both sides were just about fed up with anything that had to do with the rainbow stuff being shoved down our throats 24/7..... but then Roe V Wade happened and the Republicans cemented themselves as pure evil once again.

Like if this was a cartoon, this would be the last 5 or so minutes or so, where the bad guys pretty much won, the good guys are too busy fighting each other to fight them, then that one stupid henchman decided now was the time to revoke women's rights, direct the ire of everyone back to them, and now they're on the run again.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Voters don't have anything to do with him winning the nomination. And I'm thinking most people are just getting tired of hearing about charges against Trump in general, even if he keeps coming out clean.

Oh oh oh, at a glance I thought you were talking about the full-on election. But to your 2nd point, yeah - exactly.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I remember people on both sides were just about fed up with anything that had to do with the rainbow stuff being shoved down our throats 24/7..... but then Roe V Wade happened and the Republicans cemented themselves as pure evil once again.

Exactly that. I think we were really on the precipice of at least a considerable number of minds being changed -- largely, women -- and then they did something out of their worst fears. They really should have just let Roe V Wade go for the greater good.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Exactly that. I think we were really on the precipice of at least a considerable number of minds being changed -- largely, women -- and then they did something out of their worst fears. They really should have just let Roe V Wade go for the greater good.

Like I honestly don't know what they were thinking. Around that time, there were vids popping up of people leaving the left, and some gay people saying that yeah they're gay, but they don't agree with none of the craziness the rainbow brigade is up to.

Then they had to shoot themselves in the foot and do something that would unite most women on both sides against them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Like I honestly don't know what they were thinking. Around that time, there were vids popping up of people leaving the left, and some gay people saying that yeah they're gay, but they don't agree with none of the craziness the rainbow brigade is up to.

Then they had to shoot themselves in the foot and do something that would unite most women on both sides against them.

I mean, technically it wasn't "the republicans" that did this. It was just the supreme court in and of itself that threw out Roe V Wade. And I agree with the decision based on the merit of the argument, and Roe V Wade was always flimsy... but, c'mon. Let it go. We can argue one way on abortion or the other, but this is a decades past thing. If anything, they should have just gone toward a more specific deadline of when it can happen (is it 3 months? is it 4? 5 tops? what?) to more define things, which I guess can still happen now. But just pulling out the rug from under everyone in the country on that at once... not a smart move. And I've listened to a lot of political commenters just sort of hand-waving this stuff away... no, no, this is a real thing that will matter to a ton of people. Even a couple of years ago I was debating with the wife and the first thing she said was, "But they're going after Roe V Wade." And I was like, "nonono, they may threaten that, but they'd never actually do that." Then they did that. And I wonder if this might be many households.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I mean, technically it wasn't "the republicans" that did this. It was just the supreme court in and of itself that threw out Roe V Wade.

That's a very simplistic and erroneous way of looking at it. Anti abortion campaigners and members of the Republican party (and I will say, a few in the Democratic party as well) had been trying to revoke it since it was passed. Trump even campaigned in 2016 as one of his pledges to get it overturned. Loading the Supreme Court with anti abortion sympathising judges following two deaths just made it almost inevitable, given Texas and Mississippi were brazen enough pre Roe Wade overturn to try signing state wide legislature banning manners. It then pressured the Court into acting and deciding on it.

[Dpooly84]

Never forget the Democrats killed MLK, it's the a fact look it up.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Dpooly84

Never forget the Democrats killed MLK, it's the a fact look it up.

Y'know seeing how the woke movement is nowadays, it kinda makes sense. The average woke leftist is definitely more concerned with the color of someone's skin than the content of their character

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Y'know seeing how the woke movement is nowadays, it kinda makes sense. The average woke leftist is definitely more concerned with the color of someone's skin than the content of their character

Not only that, they want to bring back segregation in order to give black people “safe spaces”.

During the “Summer of Love”, the chumps in CHAZ separated people by their race.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Not only that, they want to bring back segregation in order to give black people “safe spaces”.

During the “Summer of Love”, the chumps in CHAZ separated people by their race.

I still don't understand how they even allowed 'Chaz' to be a thing.

[Andrew NDB]

White guilt, basically. With orders to the police to do nothing.

[Mayhem]

Man shot dead in raid after threatening Biden online before his Utah visit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66457089

A pertinent section of the report is…

“The complaint said Robertson came to the attention of federal agents in March after he posted a threat against Mr Bragg on Truth Social, the social network owned by Mr Trump. The company alerted the FBI's National Threat Operations Center.”

Which shows at least if you think Trump’s platform is a safe haven for extreme views, evidently the powers that be there will still report you. Which is the right thing really.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Which shows at least if you think Trump’s platform is a safe haven for extreme views, evidently the powers that be there will still report you. Which is the right thing really.

Why does Truth Social matter? He's not the guy running it, he's just the guy being paid a lot of money to be on it (stupidly, I think. He should be tweeting out a maelstrom right now). If it was Pinterest would you similarly blame random Pinterest personalities?