Issue #149 preview and discussion

[TigerClaw]

Here's a preview for issue 149, It contains a huge spoiler.
https://screenrant.com/tmnt-149-prev...tles-armaggon/

Spoiler:

[lonewarrior20]

Man, it's gotten so timey whimy I'm almost expecting the Docter to just pop up.

[Andrew NDB]

Leo is crying there because someone got unmutated? Why is that cry-worthy?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Leo is crying there because someone got unmutated? Why is that cry-worthy?

Campbell logic. It’s like watching Steven Universe: full of cutesy crybaby characters

[CyberCubed]

What on earth? So that Lita kid got changed back to a human and Leonardo is mad? What is Sophie on? This feels like character assassination.

Also as I've said previously, this whole "Evil Bob from the future" thing is honestly so dumb, because his only motive is to be de-mutated back to a human again. Like wtf is going on, why would he join Armaggon and try to erase history just for this.

Sophie's run cannot end soon enough.

[neatoman]

... Oh no! Something that is at the very worst a neutral change has happened to the little girl! Now she won't look like a monster to rest of the world anymore and can integrate with regular society! Maybe she'll get adopted, go to school, get a career, start a family and have a social life outside of a few select weirdos. What a horrible fate!...

Fuck this. I mean really, just fuck this bullshit logic, man. There is nothing, literally nothing bad about what happened to Lita here, not a single goddamn thing. Out of all the stupid, horrible, low quality shitty writing decisions made in this series for the past four years this may very well be up there as taking the crown. I'm not joking when I say these pages make me want to scream directly into Mike, Leo, Carmen, April and Koya's ears about how fucked up their reaction to all of this is.

[TheLabRat]

Not surprised. They did a lot of character assassination on other characters. Making Leo a crybaby is just one of them. Seriously, since he already has such power, why didn't he use it on himself first?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Fuck this. I mean really, just fuck this bullshit logic, man. There is nothing, literally nothing bad about what happened to Lita here, not a single goddamn thing. Out of all the stupid, horrible, low quality shitty writing decisions made in this series for the past four years this may very well be up there as taking the crown. I'm not joking when I say these pages make me want to scream directly into Mike, Leo, Carmen, April and Koya's about how fucked up their reaction to all of this is.

Yeah, if this wasn't Sophie's second to last issue I could have seen this being a good point to drop the book. Thankfully it's almost over.

Leonardo saying, "This is a violation!" literally had me laugh out loud with how moronic that sounded. I think Sophie was trying to do a trans-allegory here or something? But it's generally a baffling thing to write either way given Lita was a human little girl.

[Dangv]

It's wrong to be normal in Campbellverse, duh.

[neatoman]

The only way I can see this moment getting "fixed" is if Lita stays human, is written out of the series for a while and when they reunite, it's turned into a joke where she flips them off, tell them to eat shit for not considering the long term benefits and point out she never wants to see them again for how they reacted.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Seriously. The only way this is a big deal is if it affected one of the uplifted animal mutants, not the LITERAL CHILD WHO IS NOW BACK TO NORMAL. Seriously, what the hell is this?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Campbell's stupid run can't end quickly enough.

[hypered1]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the single minded idiocracy here that has completely missed the point of this being Leo's internal rage at failing as a father figure.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by hypered1

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the single minded idiocracy here that has completely missed the point of this being Leo's internal rage at failing as a father figure.

And? Who cares? The intention makes no sense, if he wanted what's best for her then he'd allow her the best possibility for the future. If the intention is just for him to raise her himself instead of letting an adoptive human couple do it, then what he's saying is unbelievably selfish. And keep in mind, if Lita really still wants to live with a bunch of mutated turtles, this changes nothing. Absolutely NOTHING, except her having broader possibilities.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Wait. Is this the author’s way of saying “Protect Trans Kids”, considering Leo’s despair over Lita de-mutating?

[Cloudrunner]

So Lita is trans? I guess that was probably stated somewhere and I just wasn't paying attention.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by hypered1

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the single minded idiocracy here that has completely missed the point of this being Leo's internal rage at failing as a father figure.

If Leo's idea of being a good father is selfishly wanting to keep Lita a mutant, instead of doing what's best for her, then the character is beyond f**ked. Lita can still live with them, still be family, but now she's back to normal and can do more things. Demutating is literally the best outcome for her and basically every mutant introduced since mutant town.

But no, apparently we're all idiots, all of us, each of us, every one, because we don't like the stupid and out of character decisions that have been made in this run once again. The real "single minded idiocracy" are the people who mindlessly praise and defend this, and try to shut down any discourse by insisting that anyone who has a different opinion is an idiot.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

If Leo's idea of being a good father is selfishly wanting to keep Lita a mutant, instead of doing what's best for her, then the character is beyond f**ked. Lita can still live with them, still be family, but now she's back to normal and can do more things. Demutating is literally the best outcome for her and basically every mutant introduced since mutant town.

But no, apparently we're all idiots, all of us, each of us, every one, because we don't like the stupid and out of character decisions that have been made in this run once again. The real "single minded idiocracy" are the people who mindlessly praise and defend this, and try to shut down any discourse by insisting that anyone who has a different opinion is an idiot.

Yeah, exactly. Fuck the way all these characters react here. Even if the actual issue has Lita declare that it's OK and that being turned back into a human fine (and I doubt that is what will happen but let's assume there is enough clarity amongst the writers and editors to realise this reaction from them is stupid), then it still won't change the fact that Lita has plenty to gain and nothing to lose from being turned back into a human. It's not that Leo is "protective" of Lita that is the problem, it's that his first reaction is that this is bad thing when there are literally no logical reasons it would be.

[TheLabRat]

Obviously, this prove once again that they can't even handle bloated side characters. If Lita become mutants again, the damage done to Leo's character will still be there. If she changed back to human forever, that mean everything about future Lita and Band Wars arc is pointless and wasted.

[Chaotix12345]

I think it's less that she was demutated and more that Leo couldn't stop Bob from doing who knows what to her. I mean, a small child just got messed with by a dude serving a time-eating megalodon using powers born of "QNA" science that nobody else there fully understands. Even if Lita wanted to be demutated this whole time, I doubt Leo and the others would trust that to Bob and his crazy powers. Who knows what other effects they could have on her?

[hypered1]

Originally Posted by Chaotix12345

I think it's less that she was demutated and more that Leo couldn't stop Bob from doing who knows what to her. I mean, a small child just got messed with by a dude serving a time-eating megalodon using powers born of "QNA" science that nobody else there fully understands. Even if Lita wanted to be demutated this whole time, I doubt Leo and the others would trust that to Bob and his crazy powers. Who knows what other effects they could have on her?

It's this exactly. Leo's reaction was borne from the heat of the moment, no different than when Splinter snapped the broom in issue #18.
Absolutely he would want what's best for her, but in this instance he's angry at himself for failing to protect a child.
Also let's not forget that Lita was abandoned as a child before she was mutated so literally knows nothing outside of her adoptive mutant family.