Super 7 Turtle figures shown at Power Con

[Dask]

Originally Posted by jestergoblin

Wave 9 is showing up on Amazon for preorder as sold and shipped by Amazon.

Probably a placeholder.

[Robogeek1973]

Originally Posted by jestergoblin

Wave 9 is showing up on Amazon for preorder as sold and shipped by Amazon.

Interesting...

[jestergoblin]

Originally Posted by Dask

Probably a placeholder.

Nope - TMNT, Thundercats, Star Trek, whole bunch of stuff that is frustratingly hard to find:

Thundercats Vultureman: https://www.amazon.com/Thundercats-U...XV/ref=sr_1_66

Flocked Splinter https://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutan...4K3/ref=sr_1_6

Slam Dunkin Don https://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutan...X9T/ref=sr_1_1

[Dask]

Originally Posted by jestergoblin

Nope - TMNT, Thundercats, Star Trek, whole bunch of stuff that is frustratingly hard to find:

Thundercats Vultureman: https://www.amazon.com/Thundercats-U...XV/ref=sr_1_66

Flocked Splinter https://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutan...4K3/ref=sr_1_6

Slam Dunkin Don https://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutan...X9T/ref=sr_1_1

I see what you mean. I originally thought you meant "shipped" and "sold" as if Amazon was receiving wave 9 a year ahead of schedule. Sometimes websites list "sold out" for preorders. Thanks for the clarification.

[Y2Josh]

Received Krang today... and he's fine. The right toe is really loose (and I can't say I understand why the toes are articulated at all, to be honest), but he's fine other than that. Certainly not the nightmare I was expecting.

I will say, for the people interested in the alternate "head" sculpt - mine is put together pretty poorly where there's an extremely visible seam where the top and bottom portions of the figure connect. This doesn't bug me, as I've been using the "vintage" portraits, but if you do prefer the alternate looks, Krang's looks a lot less polished than the default version.

The paint on mine is clean, and I wish Leatherhead's paint was this nice. I suppose my only real gripe is that the little tube that attaches the gun to the walker is a bit too rigid, and it prevents him from getting a nice crossbody pose with the gun, which means he takes up far more space than I'd like him to. But overall, this is one of the better Super7 figures I own - nothing spectacular, but not nearly as infuriating as some of their other figures.

[mikey see]

Originally Posted by Dask

There's really no point in preordering Super7. I almost didn't preorder wave 9 but then their website glitched up so I figured that I would at least be getting figures at a discounted rate.

I did the same, but I'm still thinking of canceling. The glitched price plus shipping and tax works out to just over $45 per figure. That's a fantastic discount for Wingnut (a must-have), a decent discount for Scumbug (though EE is selling him for $55), and a just-ok discount for the rest. Meanwhile I wasn't really planning on getting Splinter or Don and Zak was a wait-and-see. So is it really worth it to me?

I'm thinking no, not when 5 and 6 are already being blown out. These are waves that were theoretically ordered after retailers saw how the first four waves were over-ordered and re-released, ie not "collectible". I'm super curious to see what happens next, as waves 7 and 8 are pretty awful and likely saw the weakest preorders yet. I'm expecting those figures to be some of the cheapest yet, but will that finally lead to the course correction a lot of us thought would have happened by now?

[DonnieLaForge]

Originally Posted by mikey see

but will that finally lead to the course correction a lot of us thought would have happened by now?

No. There are a lot of people on toy forums who argue tooth and nail that they know how the industry works and that it's really "expensive" to manufacture plastic stuff.

They're wrong. 100% completely totally wrong.

These companies continue to put out plastic, even when to you and me it looks like interest is waning, because even when they are "losing money" they are in fact still raking it in hand over fist -- especially now that they have some of us believing the price is "reasonable" when it is actually quite jacked up.

Even if 50% of Super7 TMNT fans stop buying the TMNT line, they'll still be raking it in.
Even if 75% stop.
Maybe once 90% stop, then we will see it whimper out.

Think I'm full of crap? Explain to me how Super7 can be farting out line after line after line after line these days of properties that nobody really knows the market potential of, but they just keep flying past those blubbery cheeks? Who do you think is paying $20 for a Snoopy figure with what, 2-4 POA? Not a single sane person and not even enough insane ones. When that Snoopy gets clearanced down to $5 in all these Walmarts, Walmart and Super7 STILL will be laughing all the way to the bank.

And when they choose to launch a new line (roughly every 1.29 seconds) they don't even seem to put much tactical thought into what they shove in wave 1. Because it ain't matter. Enough people will feed them cash regardless.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[Dask]

Originally Posted by mikey see

I'm expecting those figures to be some of the cheapest yet, but will that finally lead to the course correction a lot of us thought would have happened by now?

I don't think there will be a course correction as the industry trend is for higher prices. NECA's mirage comic book figures sell for $32. These are not deluxe figures. It's a price hike. BST AXN figures were previously $14.99 and now they sell for $19.99. Likewise, Marvel Legends now sell for $29.99 instead of the previous price tag of $19.99. This is a universal theme across most toy lines due to cost of materials and disturbances in the supply chain. For the first time in history, the price of video game consoles are going up (PS5 console price is expected to increase in select global markets due to inflation).

However, if enough people complain, meaningfully, not subjectively, (and assuming that folks like Pixel Dan aren't super lenient on Brian Flynn during interviews), the most realistic course correction we can expect is an improvement in the quality of the product.

[mikey see]

The course correction I'm referring to is a lower supply to match the lower demand. When waves 1-4 were seeing deep discounts and blowout prices a lot of people (quite possibly even you) hypothesized that this was a result of the big retailers like EE and BBTS over-ordering because they thought this line was going to be a hot commodity. This made sense as we basically plunked down money for a bunch of waves before even having a single figure in hand. Thanks to spotty QC and re-releases, though, the line wasn't a huge collector hit and these sites were forced to unload a lot of stock for less because supply outstripped demand.

Now that we've had a couple years and multiple waves of data, the expectation was that these retailers would order less and thus the supply would much more closely match the demand. But here we are again, except it's even worse. I've had waves 5 and 6 in-hand for less than two months and they're already seeing $20 discounts. Supply has somehow vastly outstripped demand once again.

[DonnieLaForge]

Originally Posted by mikey see

Supply has somehow vastly outstripped demand once again.

Yeah, because even when it seems like they are taking a "hit" on fire-saling their overstock, all parties involved (except us) are still making off like bandits anyway in the profit margins. Because hunks of plastic with shoddy paint apps don't cost what everyone thinks they do to manufacture and distribute. Not even with current supply chain issues and whatever other BS they try and sell you.

Anyone who would like to continue believing that $55+ is a reasonable MSRP for a hunk of plastic with some shoddy paint apps on it should venture outside of their hut once in awhile and go to one of various brick and mortar stores that exist around us and have a long hard look at the various merchandise around them, which is far more complex to design, produce, manufacture, and distribute, that can all be had for under $50. Sometimes WAY under. Many of those very things can be found in the toy aisles, even. And no, not even "but but but limited numbers" is the answer you are looking for.

[mikey see]

I'm not sure where on the internet you're seeing anybody not on Super7's payroll saying $55 is fair market for these figures. Well maybe Dask. Dask might say that sometimes.




Confirmed that Dask works for Super7.

[teemu]

Originally Posted by mikey see

The course correction I'm referring to is a lower supply to match the lower demand. When waves 1-4 were seeing deep discounts and blowout prices a lot of people (quite possibly even you) hypothesized that this was a result of the big retailers like EE and BBTS over-ordering because they thought this line was going to be a hot commodity. This made sense as we basically plunked down money for a bunch of waves before even having a single figure in hand. Thanks to spotty QC and re-releases, though, the line wasn't a huge collector hit and these sites were forced to unload a lot of stock for less because supply outstripped demand.

Now that we've had a couple years and multiple waves of data, the expectation was that these retailers would order less and thus the supply would much more closely match the demand. But here we are again, except it's even worse. I've had waves 5 and 6 in-hand for less than two months and they're already seeing $20 discounts. Supply has somehow vastly outstripped demand once again.

Dorkside blew out Leatherhead, Ace Duck, Scratch, Rayfillet for $24 f'ing 99, even Slash is still available at that price. That's $30 less each figure. Yeah, Dorkside might be going out of business, but still! Even EE has them discounted at $38, so are they are still making profit on that? We've been ripped off and Super7 is ripping people off with all their ultimate figures in general.

[Dask]

Originally Posted by mikey see

I'm not sure where on the internet you're seeing anybody not on Super7's payroll saying $55 is fair market for these figures. Well maybe Dask. Dask might say that sometimes.




Confirmed that Dask works for Super7.

LOL. Actually, if you check out the BST AXN thread, apparently I work for The Loyal Subjects.

$55 is not a fair price but it is sustainable. These figures should be priced at $29 to $32 (before the inflation). $44 was a good compromise. Anything more is pushing it.

P.S: I did feel that Leatherhead and Muckman were worth the price tag, but in retrospect, I may have overestimated their value.

[Dask]

Originally Posted by teemu

Dorkside blew out Leatherhead, Ace Duck, Scratch, Rayfillet for $24 f'ing 99, even Slash is still available at that price. That's $30 less each figure. Yeah, Dorkside might be going out of business, but still! Even EE has them discounted at $38, so are they are still making profit on that? We've been ripped off and Super7 is ripping people off with all their ultimate figures in general.

Thanks for the reality check. I cancelled my preorder for wave 7 and 8 from BBTS!

[Chris]

Originally Posted by teemu

Dorkside blew out Leatherhead, Ace Duck, Scratch, Rayfillet for $24 f'ing 99, even Slash is still available at that price. That's $30 less each figure. Yeah, Dorkside might be going out of business, but still! Even EE has them discounted at $38, so are they are still making profit on that? We've been ripped off and Super7 is ripping people off with all their ultimate figures in general.

None of us know what these things cost the retailers or Super7. We guessed that the glitched price for wave 9 that was briefly on Super7's site was the retailer price (or at least retailer price before any additional bulk buy discounts) but we have no way of knowing that.

As you say, Dorkside is in a really bad place so maybe, maybe, $24.99 is the breakeven point and they're offloading for cost just to recoup. Maybe a bit below or a bit above cost. We can't be sure but it makes sense they would at least cover cost to try and recoup.

EE we can be sure are not selling at a loss on newly released figures in a holiday sale so yes, the RRP price is a rip off. This isn't something unique to Super7. That sale contains Black Series, Marvel Legends, Funko Pops, DC Multiverse. Every toyline has massive mark up built in. On all the lines if you wait for a sale you risk a sell out but if it doesn't sell out then you will get it for less than RRP. That's just how it is.

[Y2Josh]

Something else worth considering on Super7's pricing - they're headquartered out of California, so their overhead is likely much higher than a lot of the other toy companies based out of New York or New Jersey. They also have a physical storefront to maintain, so I'm sure that all gets baked in to the MSRP on these figures.

[teemu]

Originally Posted by Chris

None of us know what these things cost the retailers or Super7. We guessed that the glitched price for wave 9 that was briefly on Super7's site was the retailer price (or at least retailer price before any additional bulk buy discounts) but we have no way of knowing that.

As you say, Dorkside is in a really bad place so maybe, maybe, $24.99 is the breakeven point and they're offloading for cost just to recoup. Maybe a bit below or a bit above cost. We can't be sure but it makes sense they would at least cover cost to try and recoup.

EE we can be sure are not selling at a loss on newly released figures in a holiday sale so yes, the RRP price is a rip off. This isn't something unique to Super7. That sale contains Black Series, Marvel Legends, Funko Pops, DC Multiverse. Every toyline has massive mark up built in. On all the lines if you wait for a sale you risk a sell out but if it doesn't sell out then you will get it for less than RRP. That's just how it is.

There is no risk of sell out with Super7's over produced ultimates. Just about everything is available from them. TMNT waves 1-6 all available and discounted. Bebop was 22.99 at EE (what a joke on us all)

[Zachatello00]

Originally Posted by teemu

Bebop was 22.99 at EE (what a joke on us all)

Shredder is even cheaper!
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-ultimates-shredder-7inch-action-figure/sup80787

[jestergoblin]

Super7 is now selling Ultimates directly on their website:

https://super7.com/collections/ultimates?page=2

Full price, but it looks like Waves 1-4 are all there.

[Dask]

Originally Posted by jestergoblin

Super7 is now selling Ultimates directly on their website:

https://super7.com/collections/ultimates?page=2

Full price, but it looks like Waves 1-4 are all there.

It's to combat the non-existent scalper market for Super7 products.