Gotham

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by DWC

Lol yeah they probably will. It's a great story.

I don't get the hatred for Gotham here, though. Yeah it is silly in places but it is a comic book series. Seasons 2 and 3 were very entertaining I found. Also, apparently Scarecrow will be a major villain in season 4.

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

[DWC]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

True, but it's still enjoyable if you view it as sort of an elseworlds story rather than real Batman.

I consider myself a fairly big Batman fan but I enjoy the series. I am easily pleased though with tv and film generally.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

I just think of it as an alternate timeline in the multi-verse.

[Andrew NDB]

I just think of it a waste of 45 minutes where I could be watching something worth watching. Or watching paint dry. Or seeing how long I can hold my breath underwater.

[Storm Eagle]

So where on the doll did Gotham touch you people?

[Andrew NDB]

What Gotham could have been:

A) A prequel with a younger Gordon and the GCPD doing procedural type stuff around Gotham, dealing with increasingly crazed criminals. There could be a smattering of Batman villains where it would be understandable, like Cobblepot, sure, but mostly a lot of the warring mafias. Wayne Enterprises, Lucius Fox, etc. could figure into things in varying but limited degrees, but keeping things focused on Gordon. His coming up in the ranks, against insurmountable gangsters and police corruption. Him earning his rep, sort of Untouchables-style. This wouldn't be about Batman's rogue's galleries before there was even a Batman.

B) An older Gordon/GCPD show taking place in the present WITH Batman already operating. Basically, Gotham has already gone to hell in a handbasket, so the show is kind of "day in the life" of Gordon dealing with both regular criminals and some of Batman's rogue's gallery. Batman could cameo at times, or only ever be in the shadows... or not show up at all. This would be a street level counterpoint to the larger-than-life stuff that Batman is actively doing out there and/or a show dealing with the fallout of that.

C) Young Bruce: The Show, basically. Series premiere, we watch his parents get murdered. Now the aftermath. Let's follow him around the world, watching him blow all of his money training under the best masters, falling hard at times, succeeding at others, but always learning. Every season could be a different country, a different lesson or set of lessons. "Kung-Fu" style, almost. Cast an actor around 13, so every season he noticeably grows up as we're watching. Series finale: putting on the costume in the Batcave.

Any three of those options I could have gotten behind 200% and could have been great. I don't even think the budget would be drastically different in any of them. But alas... Smallville 2.0 was what they wanted.

[Storm Eagle]

A five-minute sneak peek of what's to come in the current season called "A Dark Knight: Sneak Peek" will air tomorrow on February 3rd at 11:55pm.

http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20180131fox02/

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Storm Eagle

A five-minute sneak peek of what's to come in the current season called "A Dark Knight: Sneak Peek" will air tomorrow on February 3rd at 11:55pm.

http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20180131fox02/

When does season 4 resume?
What is the deal of Bruce Wayne going into a party boy donkey? It just happened no plot transition.

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

When does season 4 resume?

March 1st. It says so in the link.

[MikeandRaph87]

Okay. It also listed previous reoccurring cast. Sarah Essen has appeared? Also Crispus Allen? I don't remember them. Was it the first season which I largely did not watch?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

There's a youtuber called Knightwing01 who's the biggest example of this.

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

There's a youtuber called Knightwing01 who's the biggest example of this.

Ah phooey. Just let the rest of us enjoy it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What Gotham could have been:

A) A prequel with a younger Gordon and the GCPD doing procedural type stuff around Gotham, dealing with increasingly crazed criminals. There could be a smattering of Batman villains where it would be understandable, like Cobblepot, sure, but mostly a lot of the warring mafias. Wayne Enterprises, Lucius Fox, etc. could figure into things in varying but limited degrees, but keeping things focused on Gordon. His coming up in the ranks, against insurmountable gangsters and police corruption. Him earning his rep, sort of Untouchables-style. This wouldn't be about Batman's rogue's galleries before there was even a Batman.

B) An older Gordon/GCPD show taking place in the present WITH Batman already operating. Basically, Gotham has already gone to hell in a handbasket, so the show is kind of "day in the life" of Gordon dealing with both regular criminals and some of Batman's rogue's gallery. Batman could cameo at times, or only ever be in the shadows... or not show up at all. This would be a street level counterpoint to the larger-than-life stuff that Batman is actively doing out there and/or a show dealing with the fallout of that.

C) Young Bruce: The Show, basically. Series premiere, we watch his parents get murdered. Now the aftermath. Let's follow him around the world, watching him blow all of his money training under the best masters, falling hard at times, succeeding at others, but always learning. Every season could be a different country, a different lesson or set of lessons. "Kung-Fu" style, almost. Cast an actor around 13, so every season he noticeably grows up as we're watching. Series finale: putting on the costume in the Batcave.

Any three of those options I could have gotten behind 200% and could have been great. I don't even think the budget would be drastically different in any of them. But alas... Smallville 2.0 was what they wanted.

How about A and C combined? It actually works pretty well as an elseworlds version. I love the takes on many of the characters- Bullock, for example, is spot on. Jerome is what I've always wanted to see in a LA Joker, and Penguin.... I LOVE this guy!! Even Nygma is almost perfect. Only ones I kind of don't care about are Ivy, Barbara, and Crane. Gordon is decent but not my favorite, and Bruce is sort of losing my interest, actually. But everyone else is great. This show has sort of become more about the origins of the villains than Batman's.

[Candy Kappa]

Season three has been pretty fun. I've really warmed up to Jerome as proto-Joker, the actor is so much fun and does a cool mix of previous Jokers.

I do hope we'll get a Batman season eventually when Bruce is old enough, or the actor can pass as old enough and not be cockteased like Smallville did, but I doubt it

[MikeandRaph87]

http://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/04/...-no-mans-land/

Gotham in attempt to avoid cancellation is rebooting its continuity with a take on No Man's Land. How this will work especially if there is a season 5 is my question.

[CyberCubed]

LOL, so it's avoiding cancelation with a reboot in the same series as a Season 5? What the? It baffles me this show has survived this long.

[Andrew NDB]

[Autbot_Benz]

This show like Arrow should have been cancelled a long time ago.

[CyberCubed]

With Disney buying Fox, this show will almost definitely end with Season 5 if it goes on one more year.

[Storm Eagle]

Way to bitch about a show you don't even watch.

That stuff about a half-assed reboot does make me wonder though. I almost want to say that I'd rather they just discontinue the whole show, but the idea might surprise me if actually carried out.