Rises worst offense?

[ToTheNines]

To you, what is the most egregious thing Rise did?

Now that I’ve finally seen it all, my answer isn’t even a creative liberty. I still feel that Rise being rushed in while the 2012 show was barely in the grave was the worst thing they could have done.

I remember being disgusted when I saw the character design reveal, but they all eventually grew on me. But I definitely would have preferred a cooling down period between shows. Seemed crazy and borderline disrespectful when all that news of a new show was coming out simultaneously with season 5 news.

[ResidentEvil7]

The awful animation. It looks like a kid drew the cartoon.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7

The awful animation. It looks like a kid drew the cartoon.

I think you're confusing animation with character design. Animation wise, Rise was very good, and the very best animated eps of Rise or the movie is the best TMNT animation has ever looked.

Anyway for me a lot of the early Season 1 eps were too comedy focused and a little boring. It felt less like a TMNT show and more like something like Spongebob with a little action in it. Some eps were better than others of course, but it didn't really shift back into a TMNT cartoon into the latter half of its run.

[neatoman]

I watched the series from beginning to end I can't really say I hated it, it's mostly that I just didn't like the whole "let's be different for the sake of it" thing.

I think the legitimately worst thing might have been stuff like Repomantis just kind of living his life as it being turned into a monster didn't change his life at all. Stuff like that just seems to devalue the idea of consequences, as laughably idiotic as Muckman's acceptance into society was in the 2012 show, at least the show paid lip service to the idea that being turned into a waste monster wasn't something to be ignored.

[IndigoErth]

To me? Broken record... you don't throw Leo's entire personality under a bus, set it on fire, and pretend "He'd get to act like an idiot if it wasn't for 'this terrible burden' on him, isn't that great?" (as if his serious personality only exists because of his role) and expect not to lose my support.

I mean, one of the TMNT's strengths was always the varying personalities (once developed past the initial Mirage period) that allow a wide range of people to connect with it via a favorite that they either relate to most or look up to/respect certain things about them. Rise pretty much took that away in an effort to make the "boring" and "nerd" Turtles "cooler" by becoming a cocky dumbass and a cocky smartass. (Raph became bland and Mikey was technically the only improvement after more previous versions since he wasn't stupid, but he sometimes showed a mean streak that isn't typical of him.)


There's other things I don't care for -- design, mystical themes for an entire show are "meh," and I have a real hate for low frame rate animation in general -- but would look past to check out a TMNT entry, but that part is too much of a turn off.

[Cowabung-Gal]

What they did to Splinter.

[TheLabRat]

I have no problem with Raph being an eldest brother and the leader, but when they made Leo the leader in the S2 finale, Rise Raph entire character development was wasted.

I actually like Rise Mikey, at least he's much better than 2012 Mikey.

[Zachatello00]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I remember being disgusted when I saw the character design reveal..

When I saw that reveal, I was both upset and at the same time strangely at peace with it. Because it clearly wasn't for me, and that upset me, but then I also realized at that point that I was no longer the target audience for the show. At that point in my life, I was 35, and realizing that was kind of a relief. I would soon have all of the NICK series on DVD, and it's being far superior (IMHO) meant that I didn't have to keep up with a series that wasn't created with me in mind, didn't look like they understood the property, and was definitely aimed at younger viewers. I could watch the dvds of the better series at my leisure, and that's just what I did.

To be clear, I haven't stopped paying attention to the Turtles, but RISE and Mutant Mayhem, for that matter, I've largely skipped, and I'm not sad about it.

[IMJ]

It's existence at all because it reflects a mentality.

[ticktack]

• *Outside perspective* +advice
They instantly change so much that it felt like a self-sabotage. Tmnt 2012 was also out of place with their appearance, but the difference was it had a large support-mob to their benefit, telling everybody, who complained against it, "it is not for you."


• *Positives* +advice
Tmnt 2018 involved aspects like inclusion and mental diversity. Sometimes, I read the comments and see that it could have done more in that aspect:
1. I'm reading about Raph and Mikey being less appreciated and overlooked in the fandom and plot. Here's the link: https://www.tumblr.com/prtyhat/780127602313773057
2. And that Karai could have been alive, so if the show ever got another chance, we could have later looked at familial dynamics between Grandma and TMNT. Even after the episodes were cut.


• *Negative* (reason: the setting before the show started)
Another problem I had was that I didn't want to go back to any tmnt material after tmnt 2012. Years later, I started having some interest in MM or Tales (they were a little grounded), and then a few fans blocked me for me talking prejudiced. Suddenly, I went to Rise; they just looked adults (pretty), and it had a lore (another reason it has fans).

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Zachatello00

When I saw that reveal, I was both upset and at the same time strangely at peace with it. Because it clearly wasn't for me, and that upset me, but then I also realized at that point that I was no longer the target audience for the show. At that point in my life, I was 35, and realizing that was kind of a relief. I would soon have all of the NICK series on DVD, and it's being far superior (IMHO) meant that I didn't have to keep up with a series that wasn't created with me in mind, didn't look like they understood the property, and was definitely aimed at younger viewers. I could watch the dvds of the better series at my leisure, and that's just what I did.

To be clear, I haven't stopped paying attention to the Turtles, but RISE and Mutant Mayhem, for that matter, I've largely skipped, and I'm not sad about it.

I’m a little younger, but yeah I had the exact same experience. The timing of Rise coming in, 2012 ending, IDW going down the tubes and me getting pissed at some mods here all around the same time in 2017 caused me to check out for a long time. (I also got married and my career started taking off around this same time.)

Crazy to think it was like 7 ago. I don’t even remember what brought me back last year. Might have been the 40th anniversary comic.

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by TheLabRat

I have no problem with Raph being an eldest brother and the leader, but when they made Leo the leader in the S2 finale, Rise Raph entire character development was wasted.

I actually like Rise Mikey. At least he's much better than 2012 Mikey.

Instead of an indiciplined assh*le (secret favorite and a main character from the developer(s)) and a concessionary character and another 2 background concessionary characters. Tmnt 2007 movie is what I've described,

we got a readily approachable and caring lad who took responsibility and took care of his brothers. Rise Raph is what I've described.
Honestly, I didn't mind the serie's leadership change. But later, the movie's leadership change was hastened. And I agree with you too about what you've said.
Another fan has written that they could have become co-leaders. My take is that Leo could have become more responsible, understanding, supportive, rather than getting in the way, fooling around, and just coping with things with humor.