Pro Wrestling Discussion - Page 503

*Leo656* · 09-03-2013, 10:14 PM

The Mega-Powers angle was what turned me from an "I watch wrestling" kinda kid into "I swear I'm going to do this one day" kid. It was so f*cking brilliant, was so intricately nuanced and perfectly executed, even the roles of Boss Man, Akeem and Slick felt integral to he plot (although it would've been better if Akeem was still One Man Gang, but eh). Everything from the Hogan/Savage feud in '86, the Hart Foundation/Honky Tonk Man ambush where Hogan saved Savage, the feud with the Twin Towers, Savage's jealousy, Beefcake slowly and subtly being elevated to Hogan's "replacement friend and partner" in place of Savage, and all the subtext along the way... I can't think of another angle where there was SO much going on and all of it felt so natural.

I still try and watch the whole thing once a year or so. Hogan/Savage at 'Mania V is my all-time favorite match; I know others were technically "better" but that was the best they ever had together, the angle built it perfectly, and it was flawlessly executed. They didn't try to do everything, but everything felt right and was done in the right place for it. It was also just the right length. To me, it's absolutely on par with Savage/Steamboat and other classics, just a different kind of match, not strictly a scientific classic.

It's like a blueprint for "How To Book An Epic Feud."

*BubblyShell22* · 09-04-2013, 08:25 AM

I think this angle is the most interesting thing we've had in a while. As long as it keeps me watching, I'm all for it. Heck I had a killer headache on Monday, but I was still able to stay up and watch the show the whole way through, something I've never been able to do before. So, if an angle can do that to me, I say let it go on as long as it has to. It definitely has kept me on my toes.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-04-2013, 02:24 PM

yeah let's see how it plays out. maybe it'll draw my interest who knows. my main thing is i've never been a fan or Orton's at all period, but seein as there's really nobody else to play that role, guess i just gotta suck it up

*BubblyShell22* · 09-04-2013, 05:45 PM

I've always liked Orton as a heel, so he's perfect for this role. He's a good face, too, but he's better as a heel.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-04-2013, 07:09 PM

i dunno, i find he's got that "yawn" factor to him

*The Stryker* · 09-04-2013, 08:20 PM

He's a really great wrestler so I don't agree with what you're saying at all.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-04-2013, 08:22 PM

his promo skills maybe then, not his ring work

*The Stryker* · 09-04-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

his promo skills maybe then, not his ring work

He always has good matches. Are you joking?

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-04-2013, 08:41 PM

i didn't say he doesn't have good matches, i just find him boring

*The Stryker* · 09-04-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

i didn't say he doesn't have good matches, i just find him boring

And I'm saying I don't see it since he always puts on good matches and has a pretty good storyline built around him along with his new persona which is looking like the best parts of Evolution Randy and Viper Randy.

You could do waaaaayyyyyy worse than Orton.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-04-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

You could do waaaaayyyyyy worse than Orton.

yes that's true

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 09-04-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I've always liked Orton as a heel, so he's perfect for this role. He's a good face, too, but he's better as a heel.

He's a million times better as a heel. IMO he's always given off that bully vibe. Even during his times as a face, it seemed more like he was neutral.

He's like the opposite of Rey Mysterio and Ricky Steamboat. Their personalities kept them from being booked as anything but babyfaces. Randy Orton IMO should be in the "always playing heel" category.

*Leo656* · 09-04-2013, 09:55 PM

He's definitely come a long way. His promos are kind of like Nyquil, though. He's gotten pretty crisp in the ring, though, for sure. I was one of the guys who was very much against his first World Title reign and singles push, as he didn't seem ready at all, and I still feel that way a bit, but he's grown into his role in the last few years. Even though he wasn't really ready at first, working with the top guys for all those years since could only help someone get better, and he stepped up his game accordingly.

He's not the most exciting guy sometimes, but he's a good top heel and I think he should stick to that. Like Triple H, there's just something kind of unlikable about him; he's easy to boo, cheering him doesn't feel right. That's actually a compliment, like Ric Flair before he became a "beloved elder statesman" of pro wrestling; in his glory years, even though fans loved him deep down, in kayfabe anyone who trusted him was a fool, as he would always turn back to heel at the slightest provocation. He was a character that fans would love as a talented performer but absolutely hate as a character. The business needs more of that.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-05-2013, 08:44 AM

well at least u kind of agree with me Leo lol

*Leo656* · 09-05-2013, 10:34 AM

Just heard CWA landed the venue at the mall for an entire year, and will be doing an iPPV on October 26th!

*BubblyShell22* · 09-06-2013, 07:42 AM

That's awesome, Leo. I hope you're in that PPV. That would be awesome.

And I agree about Orton. Sure, there are some wrestlers who do good as both heel and face, and Randy is one of them. However, there are some who, though they're good at both, they are better as a certain type. Randy is best as a heel because he just has that persona that makes you hate him. Even when he was face and did a decent job of it, it definitely didn't feel right like when he knocked Daniel Bryan into the barricade that one time and helped him up. I was expecting him to give Daniel an RKO that time.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-06-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Just heard CWA landed the venue at the mall for an entire year, and will be doing an iPPV on October 26th!

that's pretty cool news indeed my friend.

*Leo656* · 09-06-2013, 08:13 PM

Barring some catastrophe, me and Kidd should be one of the featured matches for the iPPV. Looking forward to it.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-07-2013, 02:05 PM

That's awesome, Leo. Congrats on that. I just hope it'll turn out okay.

Pretty decent SmackDown last night. I just love this whole storyline so much. It definitely is keeping me watching and keeping me absorbed, something WWE hasn't done in a while.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 09-07-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Barring some catastrophe, me and Kidd should be one of the featured matches for the iPPV. Looking forward to it.

Hook me up wit a DVD of that my brotha lol

09-03-2013, 10:14 PM	#10041
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	The Mega-Powers angle was what turned me from an "I watch wrestling" kinda kid into "I swear I'm going to do this one day" kid. It was so fcking brilliant, was so intricately nuanced and perfectly executed, even the roles of Boss Man, Akeem and Slick felt integral to he plot (although it would've been better if Akeem was still One Man Gang, but eh). Everything from the Hogan/Savage feud in '86, the Hart Foundation/Honky Tonk Man ambush where Hogan saved Savage, the feud with the Twin Towers, Savage's jealousy, Beefcake slowly and subtly being elevated to Hogan's "replacement friend and partner" in place of Savage, and all the subtext along the way... I can't think of another angle where there was SO much going on and all of it felt so natural. I still try and watch the whole thing once a year or so. Hogan/Savage at 'Mania V is my all-time favorite match; I know others were technically "better" but that was the best they ever had together, the angle built it perfectly, and it was flawlessly executed. They didn't try to do everything, but everything felt right and was done in the right place for it. It was also just the right length. To me, it's absolutely on par with Savage/Steamboat and other classics, just a different kind of match, not strictly a scientific classic. It's like a blueprint for "How To Book An Epic Feud." __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know."* nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Leo656; 09-04-2013 at 12:28 PM.

09-04-2013, 08:25 AM	#10042
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I think this angle is the most interesting thing we've had in a while. As long as it keeps me watching, I'm all for it. Heck I had a killer headache on Monday, but I was still able to stay up and watch the show the whole way through, something I've never been able to do before. So, if an angle can do that to me, I say let it go on as long as it has to. It definitely has kept me on my toes. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-04-2013, 02:24 PM	#10043
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,618	yeah let's see how it plays out. maybe it'll draw my interest who knows. my main thing is i've never been a fan or Orton's at all period, but seein as there's really nobody else to play that role, guess i just gotta suck it up __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-04-2013, 05:45 PM	#10044
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I've always liked Orton as a heel, so he's perfect for this role. He's a good face, too, but he's better as a heel. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-04-2013, 07:09 PM	#10045
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,618	i dunno, i find he's got that "yawn" factor to him __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-04-2013, 08:20 PM	#10046
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	He's a really great wrestler so I don't agree with what you're saying at all. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

09-04-2013, 08:22 PM	#10047
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,618	his promo skills maybe then, not his ring work __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-04-2013, 08:41 PM	#10049
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,618	i didn't say he doesn't have good matches, i just find him boring __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-04-2013, 09:55 PM	#10053
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	He's definitely come a long way. His promos are kind of like Nyquil, though. He's gotten pretty crisp in the ring, though, for sure. I was one of the guys who was very much against his first World Title reign and singles push, as he didn't seem ready at all, and I still feel that way a bit, but he's grown into his role in the last few years. Even though he wasn't really ready at first, working with the top guys for all those years since could only help someone get better, and he stepped up his game accordingly. He's not the most exciting guy sometimes, but he's a good top heel and I think he should stick to that. Like Triple H, there's just something kind of unlikable about him; he's easy to boo, cheering him doesn't feel right. That's actually a compliment, like Ric Flair before he became a "beloved elder statesman" of pro wrestling; in his glory years, even though fans loved him deep down, in kayfabe anyone who trusted him was a fool, as he would always turn back to heel at the slightest provocation. He was a character that fans would love as a talented performer but absolutely hate as a character. The business needs more of that. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

09-05-2013, 08:44 AM	#10054
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,618	well at least u kind of agree with me Leo lol __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-05-2013, 10:34 AM	#10055
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Just heard CWA landed the venue at the mall for an entire year, and will be doing an iPPV on October 26th! __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

09-06-2013, 07:42 AM	#10056
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	That's awesome, Leo. I hope you're in that PPV. That would be awesome. And I agree about Orton. Sure, there are some wrestlers who do good as both heel and face, and Randy is one of them. However, there are some who, though they're good at both, they are better as a certain type. Randy is best as a heel because he just has that persona that makes you hate him. Even when he was face and did a decent job of it, it definitely didn't feel right like when he knocked Daniel Bryan into the barricade that one time and helped him up. I was expecting him to give Daniel an RKO that time. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a*holiness."-Mr. Anderson. Last edited by BubblyShell22; 09-06-2013 at 03:59 PM.*

09-06-2013, 08:13 PM	#10058
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Barring some catastrophe, me and Kidd should be one of the featured matches for the iPPV. Looking forward to it. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

09-07-2013, 02:05 PM	#10059
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	That's awesome, Leo. Congrats on that. I just hope it'll turn out okay. Pretty decent SmackDown last night. I just love this whole storyline so much. It definitely is keeping me watching and keeping me absorbed, something WWE hasn't done in a while. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.