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Old 06-10-2021, 08:14 AM   #1
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If you were writing for the IDW series what would you do going forward?

Keep in mind you have to keep continuity with what is happening in the series so far. Meaning no reboots or alt. continuity or anything, that's not what this thread is about. If you had to write for the IDW series from say issue 120 onward, what would you do with the current run?

What I would do going forward:

- Immediately return to the Krang/Leatherhead/Utrom plot. The Turtles discover strange activity coming from Burnow Island. Krang reunites with the Utroms and Ch'rell and start a war with the Triceratons on the island and try to enslave them. Fugitoid teleports back to Earth with some Neutrino commandos and the Turtles go there to help the Triceratons fight off the Utroms led by Krang/Ch'rell. Of course some of the Utroms want peace and refuse to work with Krang, so they "defect" to the Turtles/Triceratons side. The arc ends with the Triceratons finding a new home in space, the Utroms finding a new homeworld, and Krang is separated from Leatherhead's body. Many Utroms and Triceratons die and the "peaceful" Utroms agree to start their own world order with no Krang or Ch'rell in charge. Ch'rell escapes...and would later re-appear taking over the mantle of Shredder.

- Leatherhead befriends the Turtles and thanks them for saving him from Krang. He tries to work with Donatello and Mona Lisa to fix up Mutant Town

- Mutant Town has a civil war, but we eventually find a cure (either through Baxter, Old Hob or Karai), to return most of the citizens to humans. Some would prefer to stay as mutants however, and some mutants refuse to get the vaccine and either stay in mutant town or leave and go off on their own. At least 80% of mutant town return to being normal humans and the quarantine is lifted. Baxter decides to step down as mayor and is found guilty of corrupt and illegal activities. He gets arrested but then the EPF realize his brilliance and agree to let him work for them.

- The Rat King tries to corrupt Shredder and turn Kitsune back to his side. Rat King still wants to control everything and the other Pantheon members like Jagwar and Mammoth especially try to stop him. Kitsune winds up sacrificing herself to save Saki and Rat King becomes the main villain of the series going forward.

- Null is defeated in a mini-series where the Turtles banish her to Hell and stop an invasion from Maligna. Basically a loose adaption of the Archie plot.

- Karai honors her truce with the Turtles, and Clan Hamato and the Foot Clan work together to bring peace to NYC. We see the Turtles training Foot Soldiers and raising them as protectors of the city instead of assassins. Koya/Bludgeon stay friends of the Turtles, but Bebop/Rocksteady leave the Foot and go off on their own again.



There's other stuff but this is my idea of where the series should go. Man they should hire me as a writer.
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Old 06-10-2021, 09:14 AM   #2
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- Turtles and Splinter find evidence pointing to the possibility they were not, in fact, reincarnated - It was just psychological effects from the mutagen.

- Debate from first few issues pick back up, and differing beliefs in where they came from and where they should be going opens rift in family.

- They learn this while time-traveling back to Feudal Japan. This allows for a new setting, away from Mutant Town and somewhat of a "refresh". We can easily stay here for at least 25 issues.
TMNT have always been outsiders who don't interact with society much, so this doesn't hinder the classic formula too much, just spices it up. New setting hopefully inspires interesting new foes and storylines that we haven't seen in TMNT before.

- Some members of the family stay, others may split off for a time. Heavy focus on what makes family - is it blood? is it being there for each other? Does it matter whether they were reincarnated?

- Jennika can have her own series, taking over modern day setting (if sales permit), until the TMNT return.

- Try to find balance between pacing of the first 100 issues and issues post-100.

That's my pitch, off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong - I love the reincarnation angle. It's a new and exciting angle, but now I want to take that ball and run with it in a slightly different direction.
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Old 06-10-2021, 05:29 PM   #3
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Well the first thing that needs to be done is bring Mutant Town to an end. Nothing interesting has been done with the concept after... Let me check here... Yeah, one and a half years between 26 issues total. I realise some people want the other plot threads to be dealt with first but this crippling cancer of a concept needs to be carved out like the tumor of boredom it is. I know some people have fooled themselves into thinking it is a nice idea and puke up strawmen like "Don't you want the characters to something other than fight?" as if the series never took a breather before or if this low stakes anti-climax horseshit we got can be considered compelling.

How to do it is a bit of a thorny issue. We know mutations can be reversed by simply pumping the mutagen out the system, as seen with Null's goons. So it is hardly hopeless, but you also don't want them to return too easily. Simply having an anti-mutagen substance creates problems (See "Why didn't Shredder build another anti-mutation gun after season 1?" or "Mike created it by accident"), so ideally it is hard to make and generally not a good option under normal circumstances. The 4Kids show proabably had the best solution, in which the subject first needed to be cystalised for genetic repair and then injected with liquid crystal for the effect to hold. I guess you could introduce Ylyntia and just do that?

And I guess Jennika would be the ideal test subject for the reversal since they know Leo is the source of her turtle DNA. They could just compare DNA and see what should be removed and repaired. Then they could try it on... Well, I guess any former human would do but I'd go with Lita because she has many of the same problems inherent to Jennika.

Then when it proves to work... Let's see, we don't want Mutant Town to come across like it was totally pointless... Let's say some kind of skirmish happens in relation to the cure being revealed, many mutants scatter and they run out of the cure and some of the dissapeared mutants can't be cured. How about 200-300 are out there unaccounted for? That should be enough for writers to randomly introduce new mutants without the need for a particular origin for a long time (which I'm sure was the real point of this damn concept all along) but also so few there won't be a need for Mutant Town to exist anymore.

After that, I'd order the lingering plot threads from most pressing to least pressing like this:
  1. Burnow Island
  2. Karai's Leadership
  3. Null's mystery client
  4. Remaining Pantheon
  5. Leatherkrang

Not too interested in trying to figure out a continuation of the lingering plotlines as much getting rid of Mutant Town. I don't really feel any of them have turned out to bad idea like Mutant Town has, so I'm not going to worry too much about it.

Also... Kill two of the weasels. The weasels suck I can't tell them apart, kill two of them and rework the remaining one into something better.
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Old 06-10-2021, 08:24 PM   #4
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I've keeping away from this thread all day because I just knew I'd rant on and on, and still forget most of what I'd like to do in that situation. But a couple of quick things I would absolute push for, just off the top of my head:

- Keep Mutant Town but move the focus away from it.

- Rat King kills Kitsune, pushing Saki to step forward as the Turtles' mentor and ask for their help against him.

- Utrom civil war. Krang loyalists find out he's back, decide to forego scrounging a meager living off a barren island when they could just reactivate the Technodrome and take over the planet, and murder Ma'riell for being the voice of reason. Ch'rell - who either develops into a more sympathetic, diplomatic figure or was never that bloodthirsty all along - opposes Krang and eventually decides to don a modified version of the Shredder armor to better torment him.

- Krang teaches his loyalists to control other organisms and they take over the Triceratons on Burnow.

- The Turtles, Ch'rell and the EPF join forces to stop the Technodrome from being reactivated.

- Leatherhead is freed from Krang's control, is whisked away by IDW Cherubae with the Turnstone and goes on an interdimensional adventure in his own mini. (I've been daydreaming about something like this with Slash ever since he died but LH works just as well.)

- Bring in IDW Armaggon in an arc featuring Renet and maybe Future Lita.

- Tournament arc just for kicks, bringing in the Battle Nexus and/or a return to Stump Asteroid. Throw in a bunch of 4Kids cameos.

- Bebop and Rocksteady get a third mini to cap off the trilogy, maybe pitting them against Groundchuck and Dirtbag.

- Jennika gets a third mini, which introduces IDW Chien Kahn as the newly-mutated (by Hob's bomb) leader of a gang of mystical ninjas who muscles in on the Foot's turf and has an interest in Saki's supernatural powers. He becomes a force to be reckoned with and puts Saki's new morals to the test more than once.

- Raph has a falling out with the others and eventually decides to don the mantle of the Shredder to bring peace to NYC. Karai dons the mantle as well, feeling it's her birthright, and the three Shredder wannabes (including Ch'rell) come into conflict with each other for the right to be the one, true Shredder. In the end, the original comes along and pulls a Drogon vs the Iron Throne moment to put an end to the whole thing, for the exact same reasons.

- Null (and Maligna) finally makes her move and it takes the combined might and skills of every single character with a stake on Earth to turn back the invasion. I think I'd have Krang and Leatherhead die together here, the first as comeuppance for trying to betray the Earthlings to Maligna, and the second as a callback to Slash's sacrifice in Archie. Hob sacrificing himself for mutantkind and finally becoming their idol might work well too.

- And last but not least, FOCUS ON THE TURTLES! Yes, their world is sprawling, yes, the supporting cast is huge, but so was, say, Invincible's and Mark was never not the focus of that, so... No excuses.
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Old 06-11-2021, 02:05 PM   #5
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I would give Jennika and Lita more relevance and space in each issue for them to grow and perhaps add another female turtle so they can be a trio.
I would bring Krang into mutant town and for him to become a member of society reforming.
I'd make a new crime fighter team with Jennika, Lita, the new female turtle and have them take on hate crimes that go unnoticed, those relating to social issues, especially.
It's 2021, this comic can do a lot more for our real issues that we are facing on the planet today. By not doing it we're sending a message that we don't care and we can't do that.
I'd also dwell a bit more on different relationships that members of mutant town, they're so interesting, many mutants should get more focus on each issue and see their lives and struggles as mutants!
I'd write a ten issue story arc regarding a prom high school dance in mutant town.
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I would give Jennika and Lita more relevance and space in each issue for them to grow and perhaps add another female turtle so they can be a trio.
I would bring Krang into mutant town and for him to become a member of society reforming.
I'd make a new crime fighter team with Jennika, Lita, the new female turtle and have them take on hate crimes that go unnoticed, those relating to social issues, especially.
It's 2021, this comic can do a lot more for our real issues that we are facing on the planet today. By not doing it we're sending a message that we don't care and we can't do that.
I'd also dwell a bit more on different relationships that members of mutant town, they're so interesting, many mutants should get more focus on each issue and see their lives and struggles as mutants!
I'd write a ten issue story arc regarding a prom high school dance in mutant town.
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Old 06-11-2021, 02:55 PM   #7
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:25 PM   #8
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Krang reforming would make me lose all hope in this comic, even beyond all the irreparable damage Campbell has done. FWIW, there are at least four villains in IDW TMNT that I can't see, don't want to see and hope to never see reform: Krang, Rat King, Null and Maligna. Anyone else is fair game, including Bishop. Especially Bishop. Come on, Johnny boy, you can do it.

I'd be okay with Krang sacrificing himself to save the remaining Utroms, though, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
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I'd like to see Leatherhead and Krang separated again, as Leatherhead himself is very underused in IDW, and he either barely appears or is just a puppet controlled by Krang, so I'd like to see him with the Turtles like other versions.

I do think we're all in agreement they'll be some kind of Utrom civil war. Some of them will remain loyal to Krang and Ch'rell, while the others will want peace and try to rebel against them if they try to take over the Earth or enslave the Triceratons. Add in Fugitoid and some Neutrinos coming to Earth as back-up to the Triceratons/Turtles, and you have an arc right then and there.

My only question is what happens to Krang or Ch'rell in the fallout. They JUST brought Krang back so to kill him again right after makes you wonder why they even bothered to make him still alive in the first place. And Ch'rell is kinda "just there" so far because he can't really take up the mantle of Shredder in this version because he has no history with the Foot Clan at all.
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Honestly I'd treat it like whenever someone new used to take over a DC title back in the day. Big opening arc which basically changes the status quo (without retconning), a bit of bringing things back to basics, and then either paying off an old threat or introducing a new one. Treat it like I'm doing a year, with maybe 3 standalone issues amidst the other 9 which would be mini-arcs concluding with an "explosive" 3 part finale.
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My only question is what happens to Krang or Ch'rell in the fallout. They JUST brought Krang back so to kill him again right after makes you wonder why they even bothered to make him still alive in the first place. And Ch'rell is kinda "just there" so far because he can't really take up the mantle of Shredder in this version because he has no history with the Foot Clan at all.
He doesn't, but Krang does. Which is why Ch'rell taking up the mantle works, whether he's working with or against Krang (like in my suggestions), as a symbol and a form of psychological warfare. The Shredder is a prominent figure in the underworld, after all. The specifics of his original identity as Oroku Saki, as well as Saki's death and resurrection, should just be enough of a jumble and the stuff of rumors/urbans legends among criminals to make the reappearance of a Shredder a big advantage in favor of whoever wears the mantle. Saki opposed Krang the first time around; what if he had the "Shredder" on his side this time?
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The IDW version of Mirage Turtles show up with the darkest version of the primary villains hot on their actual tails. The bad guys kill the current versions of the guys. Everyone's dead. The IDW/Mirage boys use their "sacrifice" to defeat the villains & in their honor, stay here to pick up the mess created by them running into this version of the Turtleverse. No more 2 years in the five minutes slice of life stories. The IDW/Mirage Turtles clean up the city. The guys then move back to their darker universe, now also free of the Shredder & others. Series ends.

The only redemption for this series is its demise.
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Yeah, this series is pretty much beyond saving, at this point. It's jumped so many sharks it's gotta start jumping blue whales just to find a new challenge.

It's like Star Wars, now. Even if someone comes along and does some new Good Things, those Bad Things don't just go away. Red wine spilled on a white dress, that's what the past two years have been. You can kinda squint and pretend the stain isn't still there, but it is.

It's going to be Exactly What it Is until it gets cancelled. That's my prediction. There's simply no going back on what they've been doing, it's too prominent and too indelible.

As for what I'd do... sh*t, nothing. You couldn't pay me enough to even try and clean up this f*cking mess.
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Yeah, this series is pretty much beyond saving, at this point. It's jumped so many sharks it's gotta start jumping blue whales just to find a new challenge.

It's like Star Wars, now. Even if someone comes along and does some new Good Things, those Bad Things don't just go away. Red wine spilled on a white dress, that's what the past two years have been. You can kinda squint and pretend the stain isn't still there, but it is.

It's going to be Exactly What it Is until it gets cancelled. That's my prediction. There's simply no going back on what they've been doing, it's too prominent and too indelible.

As for what I'd do... sh*t, nothing. You couldn't pay me enough to even try and clean up this f*cking mess.
What if you could just ignore the horseshit that doesn't need to be adressed?
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It's very easy to assume the series will have another soft-relaunch whenever Sophie's run ends and/or Waltz starts writing the ongoing again. The focus won't stay on mutant town forever even if it continues to exist through the rest of the books run, and the Annual in the summer already shifts focus back to the Pantheon again. And we'll get the Krang/Leatherhead/Utrom/Triceraton arc eventually.
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Yeah, this series is pretty much beyond saving, at this point. It's jumped so many sharks it's gotta start jumping blue whales just to find a new challenge.

It's like Star Wars, now. Even if someone comes along and does some new Good Things, those Bad Things don't just go away. Red wine spilled on a white dress, that's what the past two years have been. You can kinda squint and pretend the stain isn't still there, but it is.

It's going to be Exactly What it Is until it gets cancelled. That's my prediction. There's simply no going back on what they've been doing, it's too prominent and too indelible.

As for what I'd do... sh*t, nothing. You couldn't pay me enough to even try and clean up this f*cking mess.
I disagree. This type of thing is built into comic books. All you need is a new creative team and a good angle. I’ve read plenty of great comics that have turbulent histories. Things like One More Day really damaged Spider-Man, but that’s a pretty extreme example.
I mean, at the end of the day, we are speaking subjectively though, so your mileage will vary.

I mean, that’s assuming it needs saving. Didn’t Tom provide some sales numbers that contradicted what everyone was saying? I haven’t kept up and don’t have a dog in the race so I can’t recall.
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What if you could just ignore the horseshit that doesn't need to be adressed?
That was addressed in my "you can pretend the stain is gone but it still is there and you still see it" analogy.

Like you can watch the next Star Wars movie and pretend or try to ignore the complete and total character assassination of Luke that went on in the recent past, but you can't really get away from it, ever. You can't watch "Return of the Jedi" and just IGNORE the fact that every single thing Luke did for three movies and his big heroic triumph is all ultimately meaningless because some other moron came and messed it up after the fact. Be nice if you could, but you can't. The Sequel Trilogy happened, and it's forever in the back of your mind now, and will remain that way unless one day someone says "Nevermind, those movies are no longer canon."

Same thing here. A cancellation/hard reboot is the only way this train ever gets back on the tracks. There's no way to just handwave or ignore everything that's gone on for the past two years. It's only "fixable" by retcons and reboots.

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He made a statement, with an "I don't actually have it in front of me BUT I'm pretty sure...." asterisk next to said statement.

Either way, you never believe the booker man when they tell you how many tickets they sold. You either count the filled chairs yourself or rely on numbers provided by an impartial third-party source. That's a Day One, brother. If the guy who runs the show says "We drew a packed house!", maybe they did and maybe they didn't but you assume they're rounding numbers up to make themselves look good. Because that's what people do.

In my business, "We drew 500 people!" means 300-350 paid, you gave some freebies out, AND you're counting the guys in the locker room towards the total number of "people attending".

Likewise, in comics if someone says "We sold 20,000 copies (I think)" but can't entirely verify... that means they sold about 15,000 and rounded up.

Now, certified/verified numbers are a completely different story, but we still don't have those.
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I'd make this like an annual sized book to just sorta wrap up Mutant Town & transition into the next phase.

"At least, that's the way I wish it had happened..."

We'd find out that everything past issue 100 was actually Michelangelo's fan-fiction. After the trauma of battling a demigod & losing his father, he took to creative writing as an escape. He made up a quaint little world where from the ashes would come a future in which doe-eyed anthros can tend garden, everyone is really in touch with their feelings, & all the bad guys & authority figures get shamed by Really Cool Alt-Teens In Love. It was merely a fantasy version of the hell wrought upon his world by the events of #100.

In reality, the mutagen outbreak wouldn't have made a bunch of Warped Tour furries, but instead, absolute abominations. Cronenberg stuff. Limbs & features split between man & beast, deformities, madness, loss of function, gruesome death, an absolute horror show. The mutagen was in some way contaminated or whatever, uh-oh. There is no new society, but instead it's like Escape From New York but with quarantine camps, where many of these mutated people are put into drug induced comas, and/or euthanized. The ones who were able to get away, hide, half in fear, of sound mind, the other half, deranged, hostile. Mutants are now hated more than ever. Baxter's in office, but leading the charge against them, at the unknown behest of Leatherkrang. Have Jennika transition from struggling immensely with her mutation, to preferring it, & wrestling with the fact she was ever human after taking in 6 months of their systematic elimination of & cruelty toward mutants. The turtles beg/force their homies to just get the hell out of New York City, early on. April & her family go upstate, Casey goes to MA, becomes a drifter for a while, grieves his father, & eventually hardens into a more Mirage-like version of himself. Angel & Alopex stay behind, insisting they can help, but after Alopex is nearly killed by human resistance, the two flee out of state.

The dragon's arrival & guts actually had a damaging effect on that area as well, it became sort of a self-contained abyss, & created a strange rift with his dimensional plane & our own. Maybe the two are combining as a consequence, & that chunk of the city ends up basically being a hole into some hollow earth type sh*t. Turtles explore for a while & eventually find some kind of convenient otherworldly solution to the mutant crisis in the process of closing the gate, if you will, but they can't seal off the portal without staying behind in this new realm. The fix they found would need to be implemented in a directly confrontational way which would expose them to the military/camps/etc even if they could get out in time. Some turtles could die, others could be left behind. Not good. They'd hope to at least all be together, whatever they do. As a way to try & make things right, the Mutanimals take it on as their last & final mission, & save the people of NY. In the mayhem, they all die, but for Hob, who wishes he did too. At a complete loss, disconnected, he nopes off. Turtles are left behind in the hollow earth type place. From here starts a new arc, one that is TURTLE CENTRIC. Only now, truly isolated, with the distractions of the modern world gone, will they finally begin to face their grief over Splinter. Little do we know, Saki is also here, he took to this place to cleanse his spirit. We won't see him until later, though. Now we loosely adapt Notes From The Underground, but tie it into The Pantheon.
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I retract my earlier statement.

That right there would actually save the entire book and undo all the damage the post-#100 run has done in a very meaningful way that would still make perfect sense.

Kudos.

I guess I'm too jaded at present to even think of such things. But that right there is REALLY good sh*t, pal.
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Or if things were ramping towards a "Jedi Purge"-like (but with mutants) third act. It's always been impressive to me to see creators "killing their babies," as it were. You almost never see it in comics, really. I mean, maybe you get some as*hole three writers down the road who decides to kill so and so... but that's not really what I'm talking about.
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