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Whatever. I don't need your replies to make me feel okay.
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03-24-2020, 05:01 PM | #42 |
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I’m only familiar with David Wise’s work on TMNT, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs and Batman: TAS, but it’s clear from the examples given in this thread that he did recycle scripts. Still enjoyed most episodes he wrote, though how much of the finished product was his own writing is debatable.
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What I'm responding to there is your tendency to appeal to popularity. The reason you need to argue for why the writing itself is strong is because something being popular isn't an indication that it's well made or is otherwise of good quality. Here's an example that is more extreme than wheter or not someone likes a TV show but it gets the point across: "Mandy thinks about starting to smoke, everyone she knows smokes, except for her doctor. Her doctor says smoking will cause several serious health problems and has plenty of evidence to show that it will. Still curious, she asks 50 if they enjoy smoking and think she should, they all do. Since it's 50 to 1, she starts smoking, because clearly that's a good idea." See the problem? Again, I know smoking and a cartoon aren't the same thing but the basic idea applies. Quote:
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03-25-2020, 04:05 AM | #44 |
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There are decent toons today too : Fireman Sam , Rasmus Klump , Mr Bean , Garfield......not everything is bad
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And you just proved my entire point with your novella towards neatoman. So?
Your repeated, irrational and overcompensating defense of a kids show that was cancelled over 25 years ago speaks volumes. It goes well beyond being "a fan". I'm not being mean, simply stating facts. You said that you don't require my approval to feel okay. To that I say, if you were at all "okay", you wouldn't throw a tantrum every time someone points out the numerous flaws of a long-dead children's program. Your priorities are terrible and your ability to accept basic factual information is nonexistent. It is not cute anymore. It derails actual conversation and is very, very annoying. If you are going to continue to take any and all criticism of this cartoon as a personal insult, in addition to ignoring any and all facts which don't fit your chosen narrative, then I and others are going to continue to assume that you're malfunctioning. Plenty of people here love the show and can handle the truth about it in a manner befitting of a grown-up. I suggest that you learn from their example. That's as nice as I can be about it.
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And I'm tired of pointing out when he's writing irrelevant nonsense and ignoring what the actual points are in favour of making strawmen, anyone can check in and see what he's doing wrong by now. I'm just going to make a list of the new problems but keep in mind that there are still other problems with what he wrote, it's just that I've already refuted it and you can just go back and read it.
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It's an incredibly flawed show, but one I enjoy nonetheless immensely. I also dig Marlon Brando movies, since that handsome man had endless charm and charisma (even when he got fat). Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 04-01-2020 at 12:34 PM. |
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You're kinda one of the people I had in mind when I spoke of people who can enjoy the old show for what it is without being delusional about it.
A neatoman reiterated, liking the show is Perfectly Fine, but ignoring basic factual information and going on lengthy argument rants about it simply is not. Or the constant accusations of hating/bashing/trashing when nobody's even DOING that here as far as I've seen. Just really tiresome. I appreciate the show just fine for what it is, but I have a real distaste for people who act like facts don't exist just because they don't suit their personal narrative. Regardless of topic, that kinda sh*t just irks me to no end. Especially if people are going to get combative about it. Some people need to stick to the FB page. They go out of their way there to delete any "negativity", so if people only ever wanna gush about how perfect and awesome everything is, then fine, there's your echo chamber, folks. Some people actually enjoy a more nuanced level of conversation, though, and it doesn't make them bad people.
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I still kinda like the 1987 series for what it is, even though I agree it’s an incredibly flawed show. The Fugitive is my favourite tv show and that came out decades before I was born.
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Man, I can't believe this thread is still active.
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In saying it's okay to like the FW series you're doing the exact opposite thing by saying I belong in a mental hospital. Sucks to be you. It goes against his subjective narrative so he ignores your opinion as does Leo666 or whatever he's called. |
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I'm sorry, but I simply don't have time for simpletons. Please don't engage with me any further. This is the one and only time I'm going to ask nicely.
You're a child, and I don't engage with children. Best of luck in your future endeavors. Or go away. Either is fine. This advice is for your own good, trust me. You'll find that I'm nowhere near as patient or kind as neatoman. Walk away.
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Simply repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true, it just makes you tiring to talk with and makes for unproductive discussions in what have been otherwise productive threads. People are allowed to like the Fred Wolf series and express why they do so, but the same goes for criticism. Criticism is not the same as bashing. You know what is bashing though? Accussing other people of not being real fans and dismissing them just because of their like for a certain tmnt incarnation, like what TommyT does in the Rise section for example, by callings fans trolls/fans without offering any opinion about the show in question. That's not something that neatoman or Leo656 do, at the very least in the context of the Fred Wolf cartoon. You on the other hand..... Quote:
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Heck, I actually supported you back when you were first accused of being from a mental hospital and your personal information was leaked because it was aimed directly at you and had nothing to do with discussions about the Fred Wolf toon. But after all these years of simply dismissing others for having opposing opinions and personally attacking them (like your repeated remarks that mock neatoman for his Swedish heritage just for saying that the Fred Wolf series is rubbish), are you really surprised that the same thing is coming back to bite you in the ass? Neither of the two ignore my opinion and/or personally attack me just for being a devoted fan of the Fred Wolf tmnt cartoon, and that's what makes me respect them, even though the difference in our opinions about the cartoon are like night and day.
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I did kinda get a little bit bullying in that last post. But that's me being all out of patience and also, we're all kinda dealing with a lotta sh*t right now.
But yeah, your post is very much on-point. It's not that the guy likes the show that gets on peoples' nerves; it's the strawman fallacies, circular logic, outright dismissal of any facts which he finds "inconvenient", and general "No, YOU" responses in absence of anything relevant to add in support of his position. Look, we all have opinions and everyone deserves to be heard. Sometimes I'll play "Devil's advocate" and argue from a position I don't entirely agree with just to shine light on things that maybe aren't being considered that maybe ought to be. I really don't care what opinions a person holds as long as they can support those positions in a reasonable manner and not hand-wave facts that contradict their own personal narrative. Once a person starts doing that, I won't even pretend to respect them or their position any further, because they're literally blowing hot air. So. That's my position. Thanks for basically saying the same thing some of us have been trying to say, albeit in a much more even-handed fashion. I'm not capable of being very nice, most times. Just not wired that way. But I do try VERY hard not to lose my patience. When people are being willfully obtuse, it becomes incredibly difficult.
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And I should just clarify a few things about my opinion on the IDW series and its relation to the Fred Wolf cartoon.
Yes, the IDW series is not flawless and it does lift some things from the Fred Wolf cartoon. However:
The keyword here is improvement. Virtually nothing that came from the Fred Wolf cartoon (or let's be honest, the toyline) and ended up in the IDW comic did so unaltered. If characters and concepts did not change from iteration to iteration, then the Fred Wolf cartoon itself would be an extremely different show. |
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