With OotS a failure, what's next for TMNT films?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Sequels require money, something this film is making less than its predecessor so far.

It still astonishes me that Transformers makes so much more money than these TMNT movies, even though the (lack of) quality is nigh identical.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It still astonishes me that Transformers makes so much more money than these TMNT movies, even though the (lack of) quality is nigh identical.

I guess if you gotta choose between butt ugly ninja turtles or giant alien robots, giant alien robots will win in the end.

[Commenter 42]

Movies that make money get sequels.

If they could have, they would have made a sequel to Titanic.

Movies that lose money....

[Leolead]

They tried going Ultra cartoony/light-hearted, it didn't work. It's time to do the exact opposite, i'm ready for that 'Batman Begins' caliber TMNT film that they were originally going for.

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[Krutch]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Trying to make the "Fred Wolf cartoon: The movie" turned out to be... Not be such a great move from either a criticalal or financial stand point and the producers might learn from that.

The thing is they shot themselves in the foot the first time out with 2014. My biggest counter argument of people who are saying "See?! I told you! A movie based on the original cartoon would suck and bomb!" is that OOTS isn't a faithful adaptation of the original cartoon. It's an attempt to course-correct off a failed attempt at being its own thing thats only now trying to pander to a different audience.

Sure, there's plenty of OT inspired elements in there: Bebop & Rocksteady, Krang, The Technodrome, Reporter April... but you're still left with 8 foot tall bulletproof Ninja Turtles with super strength who don't actually fight or resemble their cartoon counterparts, a Shredder whose a complete write-off, a Technodrome that's never fully realized, a Krang thats only in two scenes, a pre-mutated Baxter Stockman, a Dimension-X that's never explored(or explicitly stated, if I recall), celebrity-status Vern "The Falcon" Fenwick, Raphael's completely different personality, ... You can definitely say of all the other incarnations the Fred Wolf one is the closest it resembles, but its still not the Fred Wolf universe.

I still believe making a Fred Wolf Universe movie could still be huge numbers, but it can't be a direct sequel to a movie that tried its best to be its own thing and failed. It'd be like trying your hardest to adapt Season 2 of The Next Mutation into a faithful Mirage adaptation: you just can't. You can come close by what you add, emphasize, or alter, but you're still in the rules of The Next Mutation universe.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

To be fair, their Nick backstory is, in some ways, more tragic than the Mirage one. So...Nick origin with IDW STORY?

Pretty sure we'd get a lot of soccer mom backlash watching 4 small children being decapitated.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Pretty sure we'd get a lot of soccer mom backlash watching 4 small children being decapitated.

Enough soccer moms already took kids to see Deadpool. They'll live.

Or how about Kung Fu Panda 2? With an entire village being slaughtered.

It could be done.

[sdp]

How bad is the movie doing? I really don't know so it's hard to tell without knowing but...

If it makes a small profit they'll go ahead with a third movie. If they don't break even then the movie franchise is done for the foreseeable future.

However I think the executives are going to be puzzled on what to do with the franchise. They decided to reboot TMNT transformers style and change a bunch of thing. After a terrible backlash from the internet they get cold feet and change a few things, mainly having a different Shredder and the turtles not being alien. The movie makes money so they decide to give what the fans wanted for the second film from the beginning thinking it was those changes fans were mostly outspoken about which made the first movie successful and the second movie bombs giving fans exactly what they wanted and having tons of positive feedback online.

[Leolead]

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Enough soccer moms already took kids to see Deadpool. They'll live.

Or how about Kung Fu Panda 2? With an entire village being slaughtered.

It could be done.

Haha I totally forgot about that scene in Kung Fu Panda 2. Your right Cartoons have started doing on screen suicide now.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Leolead

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/t/turtles1.jpg

Exactly. This is what we want.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Exactly. This is what we want.

Except I want rainbow bandannas.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Exactly. This is what we want.

It's what the 2014 film SHOULD'VE been:

Three years ago, I started working on the John Fusco version, which was this awesome, awesome, awesome ‘Batman Begins’ kind of take on the first movie. It was really interesting, but it was maybe a little too edgy for what Paramount wanted. It went through a couple of different versions before Michael Bay took it over and brought in Jonathan Liebesman (‘Wrath of the Titans,’ ‘Battle Los Angeles’) to direct.”

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/enterta...179664711.html

[Coola Yagami]

I do agree with the above post. An OT-Ish movie would have been cool, just the rivalry between Yoshi and Saki alone, considering Yoshi is splinter in the OT, and robot foot soldiers. All that woulda been cool if it was it's own thing and not a sequel to the first movie.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Leolead

They tried going Ultra cartoony/light-hearted, it didn't work. It's time to do the exact opposite, i'm ready for that 'Batman Begins' caliber TMNT film that they were originally going for.

Not Batman begins as much as a love those movie they are so far from the comics I would not want to see that if that's the route they are going to take. Heck dark Knight trilogy is the reason we have a man of steal and bvs(which I still liked). I'd rather if they go the comics route they go a deadpool route which is the best comic adaptation. And I don't mean make it a comedy I mean adapt the tone of the comic(I prefer IDW over mirage) perfectly.

But batman begins is not a faithful adaptation. Hell batfleck is more comic book accurate then bale.

[Foombamaroom]

Honestly, I don't want a Mirage movie. I want a Mirage TV show. 10-13 episodes of dark and grittiness, and actual storytelling. It gives more room for character development and lets the story breathe.


But if a movie's to come out, IDW's the way to go. The storytelling is perfectly balanced with the humor and the characters, and honestly, that's the definitive version of TMNT for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Honestly, I don't want a Mirage movie. I want a Mirage TV show. 10-13 episodes of dark and grittiness, and actual storytelling. It gives more room for character development and lets the story breathe.


But if a movie's to come out, IDW's the way to go. The storytelling is perfectly balanced with the humor and the characters, and honestly, that's the definitive version of TMNT for me.

Agreed on all counts.

Where ya been, Foomba?

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Not Batman begins as much as a love those movie they are so far from the comics I would not want to see that if that's the route they are going to take. Heck dark Knight trilogy is the reason we have a man of steal and bvs(which I still liked). I'd rather if they go the comics route they go a deadpool route which is the best comic adaptation. And I don't mean make it a comedy I mean adapt the tone of the comic(I prefer IDW over mirage) perfectly.

But batman begins is not a faithful adaptation. Hell batfleck is more comic book accurate then bale.

No, I don't mean how Nolan adapts the Batman comics-- What i'm saying is the dark and gritty tone and aesthetic is what I want for a Mirage film with fight scenes styled after the 'The Raid' (which is what was originally promised to us). Just imagine a Mirage trilogy:

Movie 1 - Adaptation of TMNT #2, Stockman as the main villain
Movie 2 - adaptation of TMNT #1 Shredder and all that good stuff with the Foot, Leo cuts of Shreddie's head in the climax
Movie 3 - "City At War" nuff' said.

IDW is cool and all, but Mirage is what they should be adapting if they're looking into the comics. If not a movie, i'd kill for a Netflix series in vain of 'Daredevil'

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Honestly, I don't want a Mirage movie. I want a Mirage TV show. 10-13 episodes of dark and grittiness, and actual storytelling. It gives more room for character development and lets the story breathe.


But if a movie's to come out, IDW's the way to go. The storytelling is perfectly balanced with the humor and the characters, and honestly, that's the definitive version of TMNT for me.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Agreed on all counts.

Where ya been, Foomba?

Agreed... what's this. Lol
But really in a dream world daredevil style mirage show.

But IDW movie would rock so much. the IDW series deserves so much more recognition than it get. I honestly like it better then mirage tmnt.