Do you think Bebop and Rocksteady will be human before mutation?

*CyberCubed* · 03-31-2015, 10:42 PM

Since we know Bebop/Rocksteady are going to be in this film, how do you think they will be handled? I'll hate it if they go the "lab animals mutated" route with these two.

In every incarnation Bebop and Rocksteady were humans (original cartoon, Archie, IDW and Nick) prior to their mutation and Bebop was always black. Rocksteady became Russian in the Nick show but he still has blonde hair in every incarnation.

A part of what makes Bebop/Rocksteady appealing is they weren't just "farm animals" mutated but had prior human lives. It was the first "humans to animal" mutations we ever had in the series besides Splinter's human origin. What do you think?

sethmartin · 03-31-2015, 10:47 PM

I've always liked the "animals becoming humanoid" version of the ooze better than "last animal you touched" version. However, I agree with you on Bebop and Rocksteady starting as humans. They will probably just follow the same mutagen rules as the first movie, but you never know.

Huzzah · 03-31-2015, 10:48 PM

Honestly I see them keeping the human to mutant mutation. Unlike the Turtles, Bebop and Rocksteady have maintained a consistent origin, insofar as being human furst,

*IndigoErth* · 03-31-2015, 10:56 PM

I would kind of prefer it and it would seem a bit more reasonable that they were sneaky and somehow obtained DNA from those animals to use. Rather than, I dunno, stealing animals from the zoo?

At the same time though, if these two happen because Eric Sacks sets out to recreate the mutagen and make more mutants... How humans turn into another species would require more explanation when that wasn't what happened before.

Although personally, given how human these Turtles leaned, I wish they'd just go ahead and reveal that human DNA was involved to begin with with them. And I guess that way they could just claim to have recreated the mutagen but reversed the DNA part by using warthog and rhino DNA on humans this time.

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:00 PM

I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel.

So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact.

*CyberCubed* · 03-31-2015, 11:02 PM

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:04 PM

What if Bebop is "Jamaican Black" as opposed to "African Black"? Still good?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-31-2015, 11:07 PM

Fuuny, Cubed- here I thought your biggest beef would be "more nostrils".....

*Andrew NDB* · 03-31-2015, 11:16 PM

They kind of have to be. Otherwise you'll just get Tokka and Rahzar in TMNT Part 2 in the guise of a warthog and rhinoceros.

*IndigoErth* · 03-31-2015, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Fuuny, Cubed- here I thought your biggest beef would be "more nostrils".....

Those two are no doubt destined to have huge ones. Will probably be able to drive a bus through them.

*Xav* · 03-31-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel.

So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact.

Wouldn't the original script be the Blue Door?

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:38 PM

You know what I mean, the script that they were in the middle of filming when they had people from Latino Review on the set. There was a whole subplot about Sachs using the mutagen on Foot soldiers to create super-soldiers that was apparently filmed and then dropped from the final movie, probably because it betrayed Sachs as being Shredder, either in reference or otherwise.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 04-01-2015, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

Make that two of us - I fully support this.

That being said, I wouldn't count on seeing them as humans for long, if at all.
Any real explanation or backstory will be eschewed for basketball or goofy Vernon tripping over himself on a date.

You know, the important stuff.

I sure hope he makes another sandwich, cause damn, that was riveting!

*Andrew NDB* · 04-01-2015, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

I'd be livid for even including them at a--... you know what, nevermind. Just let this trainwreck happen, and further sink anything resembling a proper Turtles movie movie by another 10 years.

*neatoman* · 04-01-2015, 12:57 AM

In this case? They will probably start out as animals, if they don't then... Well:

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Originally Posted by Utrom scientist or whoever they decide is the type of character responsible for their mutation

Well since we needed to combat you turtles or whatever since the last movie, or maybe we just felt like making more mutants for some other reason, we made Bebop and Rocksteady! Instead of just taking zoo animals and use our already successful animal-to-humanoid formula for our mutagen (which is hard to get in the first place remember), we decided to make two variations on it that turns humans into animals even though it seems to give no different results at all doing it that way. Also, we used street punks, random ass street punks...

Yeah, for the sake of simplicity they will probably start out as animals this time around.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-01-2015, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

In this case? They will probably start out as animals

If they're literally going out for stupid. Which is possible... and would be true to their oddly stupider than normal people personas in the Fred Wolf show... but I doubt they'd do that. They'd probably want to go more for an IDW sort of level on them, which would necessitate them being human and possessing some level of sentience before their mutation.

Otherwise, you splash some mutagen on a warthog or a rhinoceros -- and this is the nonsense Fred Wolf sort of mutagen, must be, otherwise it'd take years -- they're not going to just sit up a few hours later and talk about "Toitle soup," they're going to just charge at you and go "RAHHHHHHH!!!!" when you don't throw food their way. And probably poop all over the place.

Hell, maybe that's exactly what they're doing.

*Candy Kappa* · 04-01-2015, 01:15 AM

They'll find a way to use the wonder-cure, that also happen to mutate creatures, to act as the Fred Wolf mutagen when it's been "scientifically meddled with".

*CyberCubed* · 04-01-2015, 01:18 AM

Bebop generally has to be human because it explains where the shades and purple mohawk are from. Why would an animal be able to grow human hair (that's dyed purple no less) and wear sunglasses? It makes no sense.

Bebop being a black urban-style street punk with a purple dyed mohawk and shades on the other hand makes sense with his design.

*neatoman* · 04-01-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If they're literally going out for stupid. Which is possible... and would be true to their oddly stupider than normal people personas in the Fred Wolf show... but I doubt they'd do that. They'd probably want to go more for an IDW sort of level on them, which would necessitate them being human and possessing some level of sentience before their mutation.

Otherwise, you splash some mutagen on a warthog or a rhinoceros -- and this is the nonsense Fred Wolf sort of mutagen, must be, otherwise it'd take years -- they're not going to just sit up a few hours later and talk about "Toitle soup," they're going to just charge at you and go "RAHHHHHHH!!!!" when you don't throw food their way. And probably poop all over the place.

Hell, maybe that's exactly what they're doing.

Who said anything about hours? Who even said anything about them mutating within the movie? The movie will probably take place two years after the events of the first movie, that's plenty of time to make a pair of mutants.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bebop generally has to be human because it explains where the shades and purple mohawk are from. Why would an animal be able to grow human hair (that's dyed purple no less) and wear sunglasses? It makes no sense.

Bebop being a black urban-style street punk with a purple dyed mohawk and shades on the other hand makes sense with his design.

Who knows if he'll even have a mohawk this time around?

Orochi · 04-01-2015, 01:41 AM

Does it really matter what ethnicity Bebop and Rocksteady are? I think really we should go for who would work in the role, and my ideal casting is Michael Chiklis as Bebop and Terry Crews as Rocksteady, yes the races are inverted to what we commonly see, but does it really matter? If the actors for the roles are right, there's no point in arguing what race they are. Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury worked great (even though the Ultimate one was already based on him) and as did Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Personally, I'll even be fine with them simply being animals first, given that I don't honestly think Bebop's shades and purple mohawk work in this more gritty film universe. Give him some tactical goggles and maybe a brown tuft roughly in the shape of a mohawk on his head and I'll be happy.

03-31-2015, 10:42 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	Do you think Bebop and Rocksteady will be human before mutation? Since we know Bebop/Rocksteady are going to be in this film, how do you think they will be handled? I'll hate it if they go the "lab animals mutated" route with these two. In every incarnation Bebop and Rocksteady were humans (original cartoon, Archie, IDW and Nick) prior to their mutation and Bebop was always black. Rocksteady became Russian in the Nick show but he still has blonde hair in every incarnation. A part of what makes Bebop/Rocksteady appealing is they weren't just "farm animals" mutated but had prior human lives. It was the first "humans to animal" mutations we ever had in the series besides Splinter's human origin. What do you think?

03-31-2015, 10:48 PM	#3
Huzzah Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Independence, Louisiana Posts: 1,124	Honestly I see them keeping the human to mutant mutation. Unlike the Turtles, Bebop and Rocksteady have maintained a consistent origin, insofar as being human furst, __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/93225684@N02/ https://tmntnextmutation.wordpress.com/

03-31-2015, 11:00 PM	#5
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel. So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

03-31-2015, 11:04 PM	#7
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	What if Bebop is "Jamaican Black" as opposed to "African Black"? Still good? __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

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03-31-2015, 10:47 PM	#2
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	I've always liked the "animals becoming humanoid" version of the ooze better than "last animal you touched" version. However, I agree with you on Bebop and Rocksteady starting as humans. They will probably just follow the same mutagen rules as the first movie, but you never know.

03-31-2015, 10:56 PM	#4
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,236	I would kind of prefer it and it would seem a bit more reasonable that they were sneaky and somehow obtained DNA from those animals to use. Rather than, I dunno, stealing animals from the zoo? At the same time though, if these two happen because Eric Sacks sets out to recreate the mutagen and make more mutants... How humans turn into another species would require more explanation when that wasn't what happened before. Although personally, given how human these Turtles leaned, I wish they'd just go ahead and reveal that human DNA was involved to begin with with them. And I guess that way they could just claim to have recreated the mutagen but reversed the DNA part by using warthog and rhino DNA on humans this time.

03-31-2015, 11:02 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

03-31-2015, 11:16 PM	#9
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,253	They kind of have to be. Otherwise you'll just get Tokka and Rahzar in TMNT Part 2 in the guise of a warthog and rhinoceros. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-31-2015, 11:38 PM	#12
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	You know what I mean, the script that they were in the middle of filming when they had people from Latino Review on the set. There was a whole subplot about Sachs using the mutagen on Foot soldiers to create super-soldiers that was apparently filmed and then dropped from the final movie, probably because it betrayed Sachs as being Shredder, either in reference or otherwise. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

04-01-2015, 01:15 AM	#17
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	They'll find a way to use the wonder-cure, that also happen to mutate creatures, to act as the Fred Wolf mutagen when it's been "scientifically meddled with". __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

04-01-2015, 01:18 AM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	Bebop generally has to be human because it explains where the shades and purple mohawk are from. Why would an animal be able to grow human hair (that's dyed purple no less) and wear sunglasses? It makes no sense. Bebop being a black urban-style street punk with a purple dyed mohawk and shades on the other hand makes sense with his design.

04-01-2015, 01:41 AM	#20
Orochi Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Essex, England Posts: 136	Does it really matter what ethnicity Bebop and Rocksteady are? I think really we should go for who would work in the role, and my ideal casting is Michael Chiklis as Bebop and Terry Crews as Rocksteady, yes the races are inverted to what we commonly see, but does it really matter? If the actors for the roles are right, there's no point in arguing what race they are. Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury worked great (even though the Ultimate one was already based on him) and as did Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Personally, I'll even be fine with them simply being animals first, given that I don't honestly think Bebop's shades and purple mohawk work in this more gritty film universe. Give him some tactical goggles and maybe a brown tuft roughly in the shape of a mohawk on his head and I'll be happy.