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Old 05-05-2021, 05:54 PM   #2021
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To this day I'm not sure why Final Crisis is supposed to be so confusing.

Anyone who ignored Countdown and made sure to read "Superman Beyond: 3D" should be perfectly fine. I know that DC didn't specifically market SB3D as being essential to the event or anything, but given that it's been over ten years by now I don't see how anyone reading it Today would have any problem with following it.

The only thing that muddied it up, in my opinion, was that Countdown was sold as being "important", and it wasn't, and furthermore none of the tie-in mini-series really mattered much, either. Given that DC kept insisting that those books WERE important, if a person read all of those books and then went into the main Final Crisis series expecting any of that stuff to matter or pay off I can see them being a bit lost, expecting payoffs that weren't coming and whatnot.

But just reading the main mini-series along with SB3D, as it's supposed to be read, I really don't see any issues with it.
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Old 05-06-2021, 01:08 AM   #2022
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Final Crisis is fine, I agree. I think a solid portion of it would have been pulled for Snyder's JL sequels if they'd been made (hell, the intended death of Batman was probably one such idea)
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Old 05-23-2021, 11:02 AM   #2023
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I suppose Final Crisis is worth a revisit when I have more free time in about two weeks from now. I remember finding the reincarnated New Gods bit confusing and the resolution cheap along with confusion on how Darkseid
actually conquered Earth for one month. It just happened. Batman's storyarc off and the death of Hawkman seemed to be forgotten about as he dies again a year later in Blackest Night. Barry Allen's return from the dead after 23 years seemed unnecessary to the storyarc.


I was wondering if there were set ages of the Batfamily. I ask because both Dick and Barbara mentioned that they had law degrees. It always goes back and forth how much college Dick has completed and Babs while having a degree could have started early. In addition to that Tim was recruited to be a mole in the orphaned kids shelter. So Tim has to have lost some age to him to fit that role even if he is a babyface and looks younger than he is.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:31 AM   #2024
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More Aquaman content in September

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Old 06-01-2021, 06:52 AM   #2025
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Today's Batman/Catwoman seems to be Tom King trying to make up for how OP he made Harley in Heroes In Crisis...that, or he just can't help continuing to make Selina herself very OP.


Old Harley wants Old Selina dead not just because she killed the 'love of her life', but because she robbed her of the pleasure of murdering him herself. Selina tells Harley she can see right through her 'good girl gone bad' act and beats the crap out of her, leaving her gift-wrapped for her daughter Helena when she checks in on her mother at the end
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:34 AM   #2026
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So Titans Academy I thought was an out of continuity a lart of the 5G scraps that don't mean anything like Tim Fox, the formerly forgotten character from Len Wein's run. I thought Nightwing was picking up where Death Metal left off and Dick is trying to earn Barbara's love. So what is this about being committed to Starfire? Is it editors not checking with each other? I want to say that the Nightwing plot is what counts by favoritism and it can nix the controversial enabling of Blockbuster II's murder at the same time.

https://screenrant.com/nightwing-sta...eelings/tldr/8
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:15 PM   #2027
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I thought Nightwing was picking up where Death Metal left off and Dick is trying to earn Barbara's love. So what is this about being committed to Starfire?

https://screenrant.com/nightwing-sta...eelings/tldr/8
Taylor doesn't consider the Death Metal story 'canon' to his run and is ignoring it. I assume reality has been rewritten so they can't even remember it, just like when they married back in 2015 during Convergence which was also overwritten

If all books are still leading to at least a mainline version of Future State, we know Dick does indeed pick Barbara as they're endgame in that timeline.
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Old 06-05-2021, 10:05 AM   #2028
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Why pushing Poison Ivy as a lesbian? Half of her deal is seducing men!

Also, this Simon Saint is rather odd looking. Is he supposed to be gay too? The Unsanity Collective is that the name of the Robocop program?
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Old 06-05-2021, 03:09 PM   #2029
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As I recall, Dini started that about Poison Ivy originally, or otherwise it was someone else connected to the Animated Series line of comics, some time 20-odd years ago.

In either the Batman Adventures comic or one of the other ones based on the cartoons, they had Ivy state that she only ever got with men for "biological" reasons and more so than that as a means of controlling them since she was able to, but that she preferred women overall. So she basically came out as, I guess, "technically" bisexual but leaning towards women because she didn't actually like men. So if anything, she'd kinda be like a lot of the guys in porn, who are gay in real life but have sex with women on-camera for money because it's their job but don't actually enjoy it.

It wasn't a big thing at first, but that's also where the Harley/Ivy pairing started, and once the internet latched onto that pairing it became "hard canon" in the mainstream comics as well and then into other media.

So while it's definitely become more "in-your-face" in recent years, it's by this point at least 20 years old as an idea. It's not like they just came up with it yesterday.

It's only become more "out loud" in recent years because all of that stuff has to be front-and-center in every bit of media or else people yell at you. Mark my words, if the character ever appears in another movie it will 100% be as a lesbian in a relationship with Harley. Margot Robbie is specifically pushing hard for this and she generally gets what she wants.
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Old 06-05-2021, 03:37 PM   #2030
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Poison Ivy only ever kissed men to poison them or put them under mind control, it's obvious she had no interest in men otherwise.
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DC Universe's senior VP Sam Ades has departed the company after 21 years


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Old 06-07-2021, 01:12 AM   #2032
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To this day I'm not sure why Final Crisis is supposed to be so confusing.

Anyone who ignored Countdown and made sure to read "Superman Beyond: 3D" should be perfectly fine.
Actually you'd be a lot better off if you DIDN'T read Countdown before Final Crisis.
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Old 06-09-2021, 04:59 AM   #2033
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So Tim and Stephanie are broken up again, and the feel now is that DC are strongly hinting that Tim may be bi
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Old 06-11-2021, 11:11 AM   #2034
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Dick getting a half-sister

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Old 06-11-2021, 11:45 PM   #2035
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What the actual f*ck is this?

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...qia-dc-comics/

Ohhhh my gaaaaaaaahhhhhhd they actually went ahead and called it "Justice League Queer"!

This wins the Mean Gene Okerlund Memorial "You've Gotta Be Kidding Me!" Award. In fact I think it retires it.

Holy sh*t.
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:41 AM   #2036
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So there might be more to why Haley's Circus was a target for protection money. It states John Grayson is here father so that means Tony Zucco had a sister. It might lead to something interesting.
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Why would a bunch of gay superheroes decide to form their own team anyway? That's like purposely segregating themselves from working with the Justice League or any other superhero team.
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Superman's leaving his family

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Old 06-15-2021, 01:42 PM   #2039
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Nightwing#81:
Dick gets knocked out and unmasked. I mean the story is still good, but he still gets knocked around too much. It reminds me of how every Spider-Man movie the villain unmasks him.

The Easter egg highlight is Barbara's shirt.
https://screenrant.com/batman-slaps-robin-meme-comic/

Melinda Zucco is indeed Dick's half sister. Unless there is some swerve, I mean I would want a blood test shown. Though it changes the reason Haley's Circus was targeted for protection and why John and Mary were the specific victims.

Tony Zucco is Sal Maroni's cousin, right? Sal Maroni was a victim of Two Face, but ever-changing continuity changed that. Same with Blockbuster II for that matter as it looked like Blockbuster I had reemerged with the New 52, but nothing was ever really done with him outside a couple of background uses.

Also, in the digital first series, Legends of the Dark Knight#9 & 10 just had a good story, Batman teams up with Martian Manhunter against Calendar Man who is using the Mars holiday calendar for a crime spree. No zany costumes though, its the Hannibal Lecter look, but he does turn demonic.

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