So if the Rogen TMNT movie fails, then what?

[Andrew NDB]

So if the movie comes out next year and it's another big flop or even just barely breaks even, what happens then and what will Viacom/Nickelodeon do with the TMNT property?

[RaphaelinSTL]

Like any franchise, put it on hold again until the next variation.

[Galactus]

Given the fact that it's animated and cheap to make it would have to spectacularly under-perform for them lose money and since it's animated the public perception of what animated movies should make is substantially lower. The much lauded Into The Spider-Verse wasn't exactly a huge earner but was touted as a huge success. TMNT 2007 grossed just shy of $100 million and that was enough for it to deemed a success and a sequel green lit (even if it didn't materalise). I imagine with Viacom's marketing campaign when it kicks will be better than WB's so I could see Mutant Mayhem will performing better.

Still I suppose it's possible for it to completely tank. Even without a promo campaign I would expect more online conversation about this but there is zero buzz about this. All of the big outlets that cover comic book movie and pop culture related news aren't covering the latest updates on it. If not for Rogen's name being attached to it I imagine there would be zero coverage of it. The only people I see interested in this are the ten or so fans who love anything TMNT.

If it does flop I'd bet the ongoing series is cancelled or hastily reworked. While they are unconnected to the movie I imagine the Paramount+ villain movies don't happen. The status of the live action movie goes from 'it may happen at some point possibly maybe' to 'no way in hell'. The TMNT franchise is just the IDW book and 80s inspired merchandise..until some exec at Paramount pitches the 'genius' idea of going back to the roots of the franchise and pulls out a presentation of the turtles fighting Bebop and Rocksteady in Dimension-X.

[IndigoErth]

Technically, I guess I voted what they SHOULD do... rather than what they probably will, which is probably fail to learn a damn thing, but at this point it just feels like jinxing it to even choose that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Nothing will change. They never learn. And Rogen will call the critics and audience “white supremacists” and other vile things ‘cause he’s a manchild

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Given the fact that it's animated and cheap to make it would have to spectacularly under-perform for them lose money and since it's animated

Then again, there was the 2007 movie.

If it does flop I'd bet the ongoing series is cancelled or hastily reworked. While they are unconnected to the movie I imagine the Paramount+ villain movies don't happen.

If they do, it's because of contracts that are already signed and money that's already been exchanged.

until some exec at Paramount pitches the 'genius' idea of going back to the roots of the franchise and pulls out a presentation of the turtles fighting Bebop and Rocksteady in Dimension-X.

Yeah, the "roots" all right. And you're assuming there won't be the Turtles fighting Bebop and Rocksteady in Dimension X in this movie. I wouldn't rule any of that crap out at all. We have no idea how far the rabbit hole of Fred Wolf wanking is going to go in this. If they put the damn letters on the belts, there's absolutely nothing else that would surprise me.

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Nothing will change. They never learn. And Rogen will call the critics and audience “white supremacists” and other vile things ‘cause he’s a manchild

He'll probably just be silent. He's well insulated from this. If it fails, on paper he was only one producer amongst others and nothing else so he hardly goes down with the ship. If it's a big success, then he can say his hands were all over it (and again what a big TMNT fan he's always been) and reap the kudos.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Then again, there was the 2007 movie.

Which as I pointed out was seen as financially successful enough to green light a sequel. The only reason we didn't get one if because Mirage and Imagi couldn't agree on a direction and eventually the former passed in favour of a new live action movie.

If they do, it's because of contracts that are already signed and money that's already been exchanged.

Sure. I have a suspicion the reason for them even being greenlit in the first place is to serve as idea test kitchens for a potential live action feature.

I think in their minds that would like another full on Fred Wolf revival but there is no way they will ever commit the kind of money to that right out of the gate. Instead I imagine that while still Fred Wolf inspired they may be eyeing smaller scale (and budgeted) movies with lesser known villains. Think of what they did with Bumblebee or what the first two MCU Spider-Man. So yeah if this flops we may be spared the turtles fighting cajun Leatherhead in a swamp.

He'll probably just be silent. He's well insulated from this. If it fails, on paper he was only one producer amongst others and nothing else so he hardly goes down with the ship. If it's a big success, then he can say his hands were all over it (and again what a big TMNT fan he's always been) and reap the kudos.

While it was eye rolling to constantly hear "Bay is only producing" from apologists for the Platinum Dunes movies when it was clear he was very involved in both movies I see no evidence Rogen is that involved in this. He's just a big name attached to promote the movie. Literally the only time any news outlet covers this is when he says something about. Outside of that this movie may not exist. If it succeeds I'm he'll be credited with its success. If it flops he'll just walk away and carry on with his career just fine.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Which as I pointed out was seen as financially successful enough to green light a sequel. The only reason we didn't get one if because Mirage and Imagi couldn't agree on a direction and eventually the former passed in favour of a new live action movie.

Only partially true, the talks of this version of a sequel to it or that version. But it never happened. Nothing was greenlit. TMNT 2007 objectively did not make any money unless you believe, say, the marketing budget was $0.

While it was eye rolling to constantly hear "Bay is only producing" from apologists for the Platinum Dunes movies when it was clear he was very involved in both movies I see no evidence Rogen is that involved in this. He's just a big name attached to promote the movie.

I believed he was until he said that "it wasn't until some time in the writers room that I found a way to care about the material" quote a few weeks ago. Yikes.

[Monty Mole]

I'd love Nickelodeon/Viacom to lose the rights, but I'm guessing the budgets gonna be too small to be a failure, since they're mainly casting teenagers.

[neatoman]

If this movie fails, we'll presumably still get one season of that show it's just a glorified pilot for, as I'm assuming that is already in the works. What I believe will happen in the case of failure is something like this:

1. The movie does not make enough more and/or get enough critical acclaim for Paramount to consider continuing in this direction.
2. The show does air at least one season because it's already been paid for.
3. A "second" season might air, either as part of some chopped up season 1 or the typical "let's order two seasons out of the gate" thing, but no more unless the show itself is a big success (though I doubt it would be if the movie failed).
4. IDW (if they maintained the license by 2024) will be forced to publish some lame kids' comics as a tie-in to the show.
5. The show just dies after the 13th, 26th, 39th or 52nd episode.
6. The movie does not get a sequel for obvious reasons.
7. Paramount let's TMNT just exist in the form of comic books and reruns on Nickelodeon for a few years (10 at most I'd bet).
8. Paramount creates another attempt at starting a new kid's iteration, either in a weird attempt to recreate Fred Wolf (which would have been cancelled about 40 years prior by this point) or make something different under the justification that "TMNT has always been reinventing itself (which isn't even true for what happened before they bought the franchise, there was a virtually unrecognisable cartoon made in 1987 and a few iteration afterwards that only seemed different because they didn't stray as far from the source material).
9. If they keep failing, they might get tired and just auction the franchise off, perhaps to a company that will make the same mistakes.

[FrederikWolferson]

If it fails,they will probably wait for 4-5 years and try again. And if they believe hard enough, it's gonna be 1989 all over again.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I believed he was until he said that "it wasn't until some time in the writers room that I found a way to care about the material" quote a few weeks ago. Yikes.

Where was this quote from?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Where was this quote from?

https://etcanada.com/news/943842/set...more-personal/

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Monty Mole

I'd love Nickelodeon/Viacom to lose the rights, but I'm guessing the budgets gonna be too small to be a failure, since they're mainly casting teenagers.

I want them to lose the rights too but I doubt it will happen. Do we know if they're casting teenage voice actors?

Knowing Paramount/Viacom, they'll likely repeat the same mistakes over and over.

Andrew, let me ask, what do you think would happen? And the off chance that Nick does sell the rights, who would you think would be a good fit to buy the IP? Because even I struggle with this idea and I made a thread about DC or Marvel buying the rights, long ago.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I want them to lose the rights too but I doubt it will happen. Do we know if they're casting teenage voice actors?

If you Google "TMNT 2023 cast" you'll see some names that may or may not be B.S.. If true, kind of yes.

Andrew, let me ask, what do you think would happen? And the off chance that Nick does sell the rights, who would you think would be a good fit to buy the IP? Because even I struggle with this idea and I made a thread about DC or Marvel buying the rights, long ago.

Meaning WB or Disney? WB if given that choice. At least there would be a chance there (a small one, though), as opposed to whatever the f*** is going on across the board at Disney.

Honestly I'd just like to see TMNT's rights owned by like an independent studio, or an individual that sees the potential. We need the human heart back at the center, not mega corporations with their focus groups and agendas.

[Vicky82]

There won't be any change.

I've seen posts on Twitter that it's one of the anticipated animated movies coming out this year (along with Spiderverse and Mario movies) but we haven't got a trailer yet, so I don't know how people think that yet.

Isn't it supposed to have tv series after this movie. As well as this solo villains movies.

Also wasn't there Live action movie coming out too?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If you Google "TMNT 2023 cast" you'll see some names that may or may not be B.S.. If true, kind of yes.



Meaning WB or Disney? WB if given that choice. At least there would be a chance there (a small one, though), as opposed to whatever the f*** is going on across the board at Disney.

Honestly I'd just like to see TMNT's rights owned by like an independent studio, or an individual that sees the potential. We need the human heart back at the center, not mega corporations with their focus groups and agendas.

I would also like to see an independent studio take the IP as well. Part of me wishes that Image or Dark Horse could own it.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

There won't be any change.

I've seen posts on Twitter that it's one of the anticipated animated movies coming out this year (along with Spiderverse and Mario movies) but we haven't got a trailer yet, so I don't know how people think that yet.

Isn't it supposed to have tv series after this movie. As well as this solo villains movies.

Also wasn't there Live action movie coming out too?

Pretty sure those casual TMNT fans off social media are the ones saying that. Their minds are "yeah TMNT, there's no such thing as a bad version!"

[frank_one]

TMNT is too big of a name for a small studio or a person to be able to buy it. Unless, you know, Elon Musk turns out to be a huge TMNT fan.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

There won't be any change.

I've seen posts on Twitter that it's one of the anticipated animated movies coming out this year

This is the same as "man standing in front of Best Buy said..."

[FrederikWolferson]

Originally Posted by frank_one

TMNT is too big of a name for a small studio or a person to be able to buy it. Unless, you know, Elon Musk turns out to be a huge TMNT fan.

What a scary thought.