05-09-2022, 06:12 AM | #1 |
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Does IDW have the right to reprint Volume 4?
So with the recent introduction of Seri in the IDW comics, I've been wondering about IDW's rights to print Volume 4.
Volume 4 is so far one of the few exceptions to the Mirage books IDW hasn't printed yet. Most of the exemptions made have been in regards to copyright/royalty disputes and the Tales reprints seemingly just stopped due to a lack of sales. But so far, most of Volume 1, 2 and 3 have been published and those ones concluded quite a while ago. So it is curious as to why they haven't bothered to print Volume 4 yet, I know Laird has the right to continue publishing the book but I've never heard him or anyone else say this would prevent IDW from printing it. The only other reason I could think of is that the book remains unfinished but that would not prevent them from publishing a trade of the issues that do exist. |
05-09-2022, 11:18 AM | #2 |
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Yes there's no reason they wouldn't have the rights. They probably haven't done it since the series was never finished and stopped at issue 32. And unlike the Image series conclusion where they got to make 3 new issues to wrap up the series, here there's no way they'd convince Peter Laird to come back to do it.
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05-09-2022, 11:26 AM | #3 | |
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In the past Laird made allusions to IDW not having the right to reprint anything he put out after the sale happened. Which is, what, the last two issues of it?
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"Hey hurry up and finish so we can put out these trades!" probably wouldn't do much. Or it might, but I doubt it.
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05-10-2022, 04:29 AM | #4 |
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He did it to me ONCE as I recall - I'd told an anecdote here about having a conversation with a DC/Marvel penciller I'd recently bumped into at a signing, we'd just been shooting the sh*t about comic book artists, and somehow Lawson's name came up and the guy (whose name escapes me now) had nothing good to say, basically something like "I've seen little kids draw better than that guy". And in the very next issue Laird had a whole screed defending Lawson and he specifically mentioned that anecdote and how such an indictment was "ridiculous". So I was like "Ahhhh, okay, I see how it is." But there were quite a few others here he did the same thing with, as well, and apparently in more detail. I mean, I do believe that seeing such a negative response did in fact kill any remaining enthusiasm he'd had for doing the book, and that is a shame. But as I've always said, in a commercial medium and a book about popular pop culture characters, much as I'm in favor of artists being true to their own vision I think you *do* owe your fanbase SOMETHING. There was most likely a satisfying Happy Medium somewhere in between Laird's "pure vision" for the book and what the audience expected/demanded, and I feel like he never even attempted to find his way there and just stuck to the former out of spite, then blamed the fanbase when the book didn't do better and in turn he decided to take his ball and go home. But yeah, he was always pretty salty that people here weren't huge fans. But I don't think he ever truly tried to understand or appreciate Why Not.
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It's still a shame he's divorced himself from the fanbase, and will probably never finish volume 4. I didn't like a lot of it (some ideas, and content, I did think were pretty neat), but...I'd have liked to see it finished anyhow, just to see where his ideas were going. |
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06-03-2022, 08:11 AM | #9 |
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Laird basically tried to be all how David Lynch ended up doing "Twin Peaks: The Return", in the way he was all like "This is the story, it's not at all what you want/expect but tough rocks, deal with it."
It's just that David Lynch is DAVID LYNCH, and thus, Twin Peaks ended up being possibly even more compelling than anything the audience ever could have asked for. Whereas Laird's "pure" take just felt kind of... meandering and self-serving. Watching "The Return", I was alternatively frustrated by not getting what I'd wanted and yet fascinated, intrigued, and overwhelmed by just how much BETTER it ended up being than any fanfic version I had in my head. That's the right way to do it. Laird, sadly, is no David Lynch as a writer. But to be fair to him... nobody is. That guy's a f*cking madman and he just operates on a whole other level. You think I like Snyder a bunch, don't let me get started on Lynch without bringing a blanket and some motherf*cking cocoa.
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06-03-2022, 08:27 AM | #10 |
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Oh, I agree with you about Lynch. He's a master storyteller, and director. The reason Twin Peaks The Return was satisfying was because it wasn't just...like a series of disconnected ideas that didn't mesh well with the series that came before it. I think one of the reasons volume 4 came off as poorly as it did was partly because Laird seemingly threw a bunch of weird things into the story just for the sake of it, and there wasn't any pay-off for it (partly because it was unfinished). It just left readers not understanding the point of any of it. It didn't help that the main cast were all scattered about, doing different things, and not really interacting together much at all. There wasn't a 'connective tissue' to anything that was happening, so to speak, at least not one that we got to see.
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I'm assuming eventually Volume 4 would have ended with some big threat that made the Turtles get back together again. Now normally I would say this would end the story on a happy note, that the brothers will always be brothers and always be together.... but this is Mirage. It would not honestly not surprise me if after the Turtles defeat the threat and high-five and maybe have a happy family dinner or whatever there is some mention somewhere stating 'and this is the last time all four of them were together'.
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06-05-2022, 12:11 AM | #14 |
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At this point, I'd take ANY ending. I hate loose ends more than I hate bad endings. I'd take the Necromomicon turning everyone into a chicken and then they all high five. At least then I could finally stop thinking about it.
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06-05-2022, 12:11 AM | #15 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Peter never really had an end in mind. That he was just going where the muse took him, wherever that might lead. I mean, probably a general sense of how each Turtle would end up in the distant future, not so much how that would be setup in Vol. 4's ending.
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06-05-2022, 12:46 AM | #16 |
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Even if Peter won't finish it couldn't IDW hire Jim Lawson and Eric Talbot to finish it up?
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Would they have any inclination to do so? Highly doubtful. More likely that at some point, if he truly makes up his mind that he'll never, ever revisit it, Laird would just give Jim his blessing to do a completion on his own and have it published for him.
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06-05-2022, 01:44 AM | #18 |
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Hmm I kinda missed the specifics of that. I know he had the rights to make like 2 comics a year or whatever. Is it maybe cause the last 2 issues were digital only or something?
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06-05-2022, 01:48 AM | #19 |
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No, it's because Nickelodeon only owns everything Peter did up until the sale. The last two issues he did after the sale, so they don't own them.
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Our hero is about to fall off a cliff.... no he's not, now he's suddenly back home with this family as he was 2 issues before that cliffhanger.
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