Alec Baldwin shoots and kills his own cinematographer

*Andrew NDB* · 10-21-2021, 10:42 PM

Jeeze...

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cinemat...-set-accident/

*Wildcat* · 10-21-2021, 10:57 PM

I saw this on tv.

It’s very sad and scary that the movie is also about an accidental death.

I did not know until I read it in the article.

*Papenbrook* · 10-21-2021, 11:11 PM

The director is also left in critical condition.

This is exactly why workplace safety should be a priority. Accidents and tragedies shouldn't occur on film sets.

I send my condolences to their loved ones.

*Leo656* · 10-21-2021, 11:15 PM

Jesus.

I confess, I don't know much about movie SFX. But one would think that in the age of CGI and "just do it with computers", prop guns that actually have stuff in them would've been one of the first things to go. You can add both the sound effects and "discharge" in post, can't you? Why do we need to still use "blanks"? This isn't the first time a prop gun malfunctioned and someone died, after all.

I figured after Brandon Lee died, all that stuff would've gone out the window forever. 30 years later, here we are again.

Stupid. Pointless. Needless. You got the stupid computer SFX, use 'em.

*Wildcat* · 10-21-2021, 11:28 PM

That’s exactly what I was going to say. Just use cgi. Nobody will or should care that the brief fire of a gunshot is cgi.

There’s no need for anything to actually be shot out.

I did not know about some of the other accidents until they were mentioned on the Blu Ray forum.

*Leo656* · 10-21-2021, 11:44 PM

I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

~~1987~~ · 10-21-2021, 11:50 PM

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*Wildcat* · 10-22-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the guy. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

It was the girl that died. The guy is in the hospital.

Ya I feel bad for Alec Baldwin. It’s an awful thing to have in the back of your mind.

Just use guns that have nothing in them or use realistic fake guns.

*Leo656* · 10-22-2021, 12:36 AM

Sorry I misspoke, I read the article rather fast and I missed the part that the person who died was a woman. Whoops. That's on me. Post corrected.

*Ninjinister* · 10-22-2021, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 1987

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*Andrew NDB* · 10-22-2021, 02:10 AM

Yeah. All kinds of yeesh.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-22-2021, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

And that's the troubling thing. Baldwin's not going to have a whole lot of years left in him, and s*it like this so late in your career is kind of a 'final chapter' watermark moment.

Alec's fairytale should have been calling it a day after the Trump parodies (not trying to press any hot buttons on that, just an observation)

Anyway, IATSE have got to be feeling pretty damn stupid right now. All of this could have been avoided on Monday.

*newfan* · 10-22-2021, 04:22 AM

What a damn tragedy for all involved.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 10-22-2021, 07:45 AM

YIKES! I have always liked the Baldwins, Alec in particular. This is so sad, and so eerily similar to what happened with Brandon Lee. Just the other way around this time. Terrible news....

*triplexxx* · 10-22-2021, 08:51 AM

A very tragic occurrence, in the film industry, just like in the sports industry, things/accidents like this can happen. My condolences to director of photography Halyna Hutchins, up in heaven now, as well as her family, to director Joel Souza, hoping he recovers, and to Alec Baldwin who will be having a hard time with this for the rest of his life, hopefully he can find a way to cope with it.

*IMJ* · 10-22-2021, 09:00 AM

Sounds similar to what happened to Brandon Lee and Michael Masse on The Crow.

~~Sumac~~ · 10-22-2021, 09:22 AM

This is horrible.
I don't know how someone would be able to return to "normal state" after such experience.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-22-2021, 10:07 AM

For the record, I've been on many sets with real guns, and many sets with blanks being fired (once, right at my camera/me). There's many benefits to using blanks and not just pantomiming out gunshots.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 10-22-2021, 11:15 AM

Everything I could say about this has already been said, probably better than I could say it to boot, but I have just one question: I get the accidental discharge scenario, which is tragic enough, but why did he fire the gun at two different people?

*IndigoErth* · 10-22-2021, 11:25 AM

Such a tragedy. How do you even live with that etched in your brain. Hope he gets the great counseling that he's probably going to need for the rest of his days.

Have to agree, with as far as the technology has come and CGI being able to be totally indistinguishable from the real thing in many cases, why are something as simple as prop guns still using blanks, or firing at all for that matter? Maybe now the industry will decide it needs to move past that, and if so, hopefully, it's just terribly tragic that, as usual, it took something like this (again) to make improvements.

If they want the acting and motion authentic, than have an actor train with an expert, get a feel for how a particular real gun fires, than let them do what they do best on set with a fake version that can't hurt anyone.

10-21-2021, 10:42 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,251	Alec Baldwin shoots and kills his own cinematographer Jeeze... https://www.darkhorizons.com/cinemat...-set-accident/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-21-2021, 10:57 PM	#2
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,255	I saw this on tv. It’s very sad and scary that the movie is also about an accidental death. I did not know until I read it in the article. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-21-2021, 11:15 PM	#4
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Jesus. I confess, I don't know much about movie SFX. But one would think that in the age of CGI and "just do it with computers", prop guns that actually have stuff in them would've been one of the first things to go. You can add both the sound effects and "discharge" in post, can't you? Why do we need to still use "blanks"? This isn't the first time a prop gun malfunctioned and someone died, after all. I figured after Brandon Lee died, all that stuff would've gone out the window forever. 30 years later, here we are again. Stupid. Pointless. Needless. You got the stupid computer SFX, use 'em. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

10-21-2021, 11:28 PM	#5
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,255	That’s exactly what I was going to say. Just use cgi. Nobody will or should care that the brief fire of a gunshot is cgi. There’s no need for anything to actually be shot out. I did not know about some of the other accidents until they were mentioned on the Blu Ray forum. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-21-2021, 11:44 PM	#6
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness. If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion. Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sht to live with. AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall). Such a fcking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Leo656; 10-22-2021 at 12:36 AM.

10-21-2021, 11:11 PM	#3
Papenbrook The King of Nothing Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: No comment -_- ... Posts: 2,755	The director is also left in critical condition. This is exactly why workplace safety should be a priority. Accidents and tragedies shouldn't occur on film sets. I send my condolences to their loved ones.

10-21-2021, 11:50 PM	#7
~~1987~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 640	https://mobile.twitter.com/alecbaldw...25278123048960

10-22-2021, 12:36 AM	#9
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Sorry I misspoke, I read the article rather fast and I missed the part that the person who died was a woman. Whoops. That's on me. Post corrected. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

10-22-2021, 02:10 AM	#11
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,251	Yeah. All kinds of yeesh. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-22-2021, 04:22 AM	#13
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	What a damn tragedy for all involved. Last edited by newfan; 10-22-2021 at 04:38 AM.

10-22-2021, 07:45 AM	#14
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	YIKES! I have always liked the Baldwins, Alec in particular. This is so sad, and so eerily similar to what happened with Brandon Lee. Just the other way around this time. Terrible news.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

10-22-2021, 08:51 AM	#15
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,596	A very tragic occurrence, in the film industry, just like in the sports industry, things/accidents like this can happen. My condolences to director of photography Halyna Hutchins, up in heaven now, as well as her family, to director Joel Souza, hoping he recovers, and to Alec Baldwin who will be having a hard time with this for the rest of his life, hopefully he can find a way to cope with it. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

10-22-2021, 09:00 AM	#16
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 6,987	Sounds similar to what happened to Brandon Lee and Michael Masse on The Crow. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

10-22-2021, 09:22 AM	#17
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	This is horrible. I don't know how someone would be able to return to "normal state" after such experience.

10-22-2021, 10:07 AM	#18
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,251	For the record, I've been on many sets with real guns, and many sets with blanks being fired (once, right at my camera/me). There's many benefits to using blanks and not just pantomiming out gunshots. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-22-2021, 11:15 AM	#19
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Everything I could say about this has already been said, probably better than I could say it to boot, but I have just one question: I get the accidental discharge scenario, which is tragic enough, but why did he fire the gun at two different people?

10-22-2021, 11:25 AM	#20
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,234	Such a tragedy. How do you even live with that etched in your brain. Hope he gets the great counseling that he's probably going to need for the rest of his days. Have to agree, with as far as the technology has come and CGI being able to be totally indistinguishable from the real thing in many cases, why are something as simple as prop guns still using blanks, or firing at all for that matter? Maybe now the industry will decide it needs to move past that, and if so, hopefully, it's just terribly tragic that, as usual, it took something like this (again) to make improvements. If they want the acting and motion authentic, than have an actor train with an expert, get a feel for how a particular real gun fires, than let them do what they do best on set with a fake version that can't hurt anyone.