Motives of Shredder and the Foot Clan

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 07-28-2022, 12:04 PM

In all TMNT media, Shredder and the Foot Clan have appeared. But their motives and ambitions have been different. What motives do you think they should have?

*Cowabung-Gal* · 07-28-2022, 12:08 PM

Bringing back Communism.

*Andrew NDB* · 07-28-2022, 12:10 PM

Making their employer/leader -- Oroku Saki -- very rich. And themselves by consequence. But for other parts of the Foot like the mystics, something else. Mastery of the body and the conquering of death, I'd say.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 07-28-2022, 12:44 PM

I added a poll now. Multiple choices are allowed.

~~AquaParade~~ · 07-28-2022, 12:48 PM

The Foot has been corrupted into serving mostly financial needs, a far cry from their roots in Japan, and Saki is complicating things even further by pouring resources into his own personal agenda of revenge against Yoshi.

*Andrew NDB* · 07-28-2022, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

The Foot has been corrupted into serving mostly financial needs, a far cry from their roots in Japan,

Is it, though? Ninjas as assassins has always been on a transactional basis. A ninja clan, in essence, is a "business."

*IndigoErth* · 07-28-2022, 01:42 PM

Ohh, a veritable buffet of poll choices.

Money, power, and revenge, by whatever methods necessary.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 07-29-2022, 03:49 PM

The foot, as modern ninja, should be a mercenary criminal organization. They should be taking high-paying spying and espionage jobs, assassin jobs, security missions, valuable thefts from high-tech facilities, and espionage jobs. Their clientele should be the the mafia, the triads, the tongs, and the Russian mob. They should be the ones powerful criminals turn to when normal mercs, spies, or bounty hunters aren't skilled enough to get the job done. They should have paid spies in every government, corporation, and large organization of any kind on earth, in order to gather data and intel for their missions and assignments. The goal of all of this is profit.

Their feud with the turtles and Splinter should be a personal vendetta with the shredder, leading to skirmishes whenever the two factions encounter each other.

Torterra · 07-29-2022, 07:38 PM

I like the whole just conquering through money and fear. Like if I was going to write Shredder and the foot in a series I would have it that Shredder pretty much rules over all of Japan in the shadows. Thugs, yakuza and other criminal organizations all follow him, like he is Japan's boogeyman. Then eventually he sets he's sight on taking over North America with New York as the starting point.

shredder orokusaki · 07-30-2022, 03:59 PM

Our motivation is to conquer the world and kill the turtles and Splinter!

~~AquaParade~~ · 07-30-2022, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Is it, though? Ninjas as assassins has always been on a transactional basis. A ninja clan, in essence, is a "business."

That’s true. I’m just spitballing and thinking of what themes I’d want to play with in my TMNT sandbox, but yeah, I guess that works fine and is true.

*Prowler* · 08-03-2022, 09:27 PM

They always gave me a Yakuza-like vibe to me. Which means they engage in activities mafias usually get involved in. I'm sure loan sharking is one of them.

In the 2k3 series though, Oroku Saki was a well known and respected business man in NYC, wasn't he? He clearly wasn't someone hiding from the public eye. Not to mention his tower was rather conspicuous. Clearly his businessman image was a facade. But what kind of legal businesses was he involved with?

Antoniocafe · 08-04-2022, 03:36 PM

I don't feel like there has to be one definitive answer. Different goals have made sense to me through a variety of different versions of the Foot.

*Coola Yagami* · 08-04-2022, 05:28 PM

I remember that one episode where the Shredder was worried about Splinter having documents that prove he's the real leader of the Foot Clan. I'm like.... why? What really remains of the Foot Clan other than a legion of robots? It just seems Splinter and Shredder are the last survivors of a long dead ninja clan. It's stuff kids don't think about too much until they see other forms of TMNT media (hell, even the live action movies) where it feels like a real ninja clan.

Hell, I honestly don't think OT Shredder even respects Bebop and Rocksteady enough to consider them members of the Foot Clan and Krang could care less. Hell, Krang didn't give a damn in the above episode I mentioned.

Antoniocafe · 08-04-2022, 07:06 PM

It's interesting to wonder what became of the Foot in Japan after Saki followed Yoshi to America. I definitely do not consider Shredder's forces that we saw in the opening mini series to be the "Foot Clan". Though he clearly considered the robot Foot soldiers, and possibly the punks as well, to be at least the U.S. branch of the Foot. Based on his offer to the Turtles to join the Foot anyway.

View Poll Results: What motives do you think Shredder and the Foot Clan should have?
Avenge Oroku Nagi's death (killed by Hamato Yoshi) and restore family honour	5	55.56%
Work with Kraang or the Kraang and use their technology to conquer Earth	1	11.11%
Just be a street gang commiting minor crimes, like robberies and thefts	1	11.11%
Commiting crimes like drugdealing, murder and smuggling weapons	4	44.44%
Infiltrate politics with bribery and corruption	4	44.44%
Carry out unethical genetic experiments	2	22.22%
Shredder being Chrell, an Utrom attempting to build a spacecraft and take over the Utrom planet	1	11.11%
Supernatural and spiritual stuff	3	33.33%
Control an empire of crime, conneted to Baxter Stockman and the Purple Dragons	5	55.56%
Be a terrorist organization, à la IRA, Baader–Meinhof and the Red Brigades	2	22.22%
Destroy all music on Earth...	2	22.22%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

07-28-2022, 12:04 PM	#1
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Motives of Shredder and the Foot Clan In all TMNT media, Shredder and the Foot Clan have appeared. But their motives and ambitions have been different. What motives do you think they should have?

07-28-2022, 12:08 PM	#2
Cowabung-Gal The Party Dudette Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: U-S-A!! Posts: 2,195	Bringing back Communism. __________________ Totally Interstellar

07-28-2022, 12:10 PM	#3
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,274	Making their employer/leader -- Oroku Saki -- very rich. And themselves by consequence. But for other parts of the Foot like the mystics, something else. Mastery of the body and the conquering of death, I'd say. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

07-29-2022, 03:49 PM	#8
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	The foot, as modern ninja, should be a mercenary criminal organization. They should be taking high-paying spying and espionage jobs, assassin jobs, security missions, valuable thefts from high-tech facilities, and espionage jobs. Their clientele should be the the mafia, the triads, the tongs, and the Russian mob. They should be the ones powerful criminals turn to when normal mercs, spies, or bounty hunters aren't skilled enough to get the job done. They should have paid spies in every government, corporation, and large organization of any kind on earth, in order to gather data and intel for their missions and assignments. The goal of all of this is profit. Their feud with the turtles and Splinter should be a personal vendetta with the shredder, leading to skirmishes whenever the two factions encounter each other. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket. Last edited by Panda_Kahn_fan; 08-07-2022 at 02:05 AM.

07-28-2022, 12:44 PM	#4
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	I added a poll now. Multiple choices are allowed.

07-28-2022, 12:48 PM	#5
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	The Foot has been corrupted into serving mostly financial needs, a far cry from their roots in Japan, and Saki is complicating things even further by pouring resources into his own personal agenda of revenge against Yoshi.

07-28-2022, 01:42 PM	#7
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,242	Ohh, a veritable buffet of poll choices. Money, power, and revenge, by whatever methods necessary.

07-29-2022, 07:38 PM	#9
Torterra Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 112	I like the whole just conquering through money and fear. Like if I was going to write Shredder and the foot in a series I would have it that Shredder pretty much rules over all of Japan in the shadows. Thugs, yakuza and other criminal organizations all follow him, like he is Japan's boogeyman. Then eventually he sets he's sight on taking over North America with New York as the starting point.

07-30-2022, 03:59 PM	#10
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,407	Our motivation is to conquer the world and kill the turtles and Splinter! __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

08-03-2022, 09:27 PM	#12
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 8,909	They always gave me a Yakuza-like vibe to me. Which means they engage in activities mafias usually get involved in. I'm sure loan sharking is one of them. In the 2k3 series though, Oroku Saki was a well known and respected business man in NYC, wasn't he? He clearly wasn't someone hiding from the public eye. Not to mention his tower was rather conspicuous. Clearly his businessman image was a facade. But what kind of legal businesses was he involved with?

08-04-2022, 03:36 PM	#13
Antoniocafe Thug Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 94	I don't feel like there has to be one definitive answer. Different goals have made sense to me through a variety of different versions of the Foot.

08-04-2022, 05:28 PM	#14
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,009	I remember that one episode where the Shredder was worried about Splinter having documents that prove he's the real leader of the Foot Clan. I'm like.... why? What really remains of the Foot Clan other than a legion of robots? It just seems Splinter and Shredder are the last survivors of a long dead ninja clan. It's stuff kids don't think about too much until they see other forms of TMNT media (hell, even the live action movies) where it feels like a real ninja clan. Hell, I honestly don't think OT Shredder even respects Bebop and Rocksteady enough to consider them members of the Foot Clan and Krang could care less. Hell, Krang didn't give a damn in the above episode I mentioned. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

08-04-2022, 07:06 PM	#15
Antoniocafe Thug Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 94	It's interesting to wonder what became of the Foot in Japan after Saki followed Yoshi to America. I definitely do not consider Shredder's forces that we saw in the opening mini series to be the "Foot Clan". Though he clearly considered the robot Foot soldiers, and possibly the punks as well, to be at least the U.S. branch of the Foot. Based on his offer to the Turtles to join the Foot anyway.