Alex Jones down $4M

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

And that woke joke of a judge makes two.

A right wing judge would have made the same decision.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

Point is he f*cked around and found out what happens when you tell parents who lost their kids that they're liars.

But, that's not a crime. It's a horrible thing to do, of course.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But, that's not a crime. It's a horrible thing to do, of course.

He's not going to jail over this though, he's just being sued. Not every court case is criminal.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

He's not going to jail over this though, he's just being sued. Not every court case is criminal.

So the right to free speech... but you might have to pay money if you say something that isn't even inciteful in and of itself? You're just one bleeding heart liberal judge away from owing millions?

I don't care if Alex Jones gets hit by a car tomorrow but I don't like the precedent this sets.

[Galactus]

These are also defamation cases. So he's not being sued for encouraging his audience of insane idiots to go harass the families of the Sandy Hook victims he's being sued for lying that they were 'crisis actors'. The fact that they've been harassed and threatened for years is the consequence of his lies.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

These are also defamation cases. So he's not being sued for encouraging his audience of insane idiots to go harass the families of the Sandy Hook victims he's being sued for lying that they were 'crisis actors'. The fact that they've been harassed and threatened for years is the consequence of his lies.

Well, if we're strictly talking in terms of defamation of character, slander and/or libel then yes. Though I'd like to see a quantification of how Alex Jones did 45 million dollars worth of damage to them.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So the right to free speech... but you might have to pay money if you say something that isn't even inciteful in and of itself? You're just one bleeding heart liberal judge away from owing millions?

I don't care if Alex Jones gets hit by a car tomorrow but I don't like the precedent this sets.

You also dont have the right to tell a parent their kid isnt dead and keep pushing that narrative on national radio/television/whatever else without consequence. That sets a bad precedent as well.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

A right wing judge would have made the same decision.

A right-wing judge making a non-biased decision with similar results doesn't mean this one wasn't biased.

[Mayhem]

Dr Evil pinky in mouth moment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63237092

[Prowler]

Alex Jones is just another person who's "famous" and gets way more attention than they deserve. Just like most "internet celebrities" nowadays.

I had no idea who the hell Andrew Tate was until some weeks ago when everyone on social media suddenly began talking about him.

I'm starting to think youtube was a mistake.

[The Deadman]

This is your reminder that it's probably not a good idea to get on every social platform you're apart of to tell parents that their kids aren't actually dead and that everything was a hoax.

Then when the parents are tired of your sh*t and go the legal route, you tell them it's all part of the act. Alex Jones is the real crisis actor here.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

You also dont have the right to tell a parent their kid isnt dead and keep pushing that narrative on national radio/television/whatever else without consequence.

I mean, don't you? If I start a podcast and push the idea that the crew of the Challenger didn't really blow up, they went into a wormhole and are alive in another part of the galaxy... I should be fined millions? How, if we're being serious about free speech?

I could understand if what I'm saying is somehow causing a financial blow to someone, then there could be a case there for "damages." But you'd have to have a pretty good case and actually show that.

[Leo656]

People sue and win for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" all the time, as well as "instigation of harassment". Many of the victims' parents have been stalked and harassed and had violent threats made against them, and when questioned about it the stalkers and harassers always say, with pride, "I heard it on Alex Jones."

You can't with a straight face say this guy is somehow blameless. Nor he is the kind of guy who deserves even one shred of defense or benefit of the doubt. He's a grifter, he gets rich peddling misery. That's his one and only function; hiding behind "free speech" doesn't make him any less of a parasite.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

45.2 million, actually.

I don't like the guy and I think he's a loon and I agree what he said about Sandy Hook was nuts and in extremely bad taste. That said... his saying nutty stuff on his crazy talk show where he routinely says crazy stuff really caused the parents of the victims 45.2 million dollars in damages? What are the damages? Were they watching his show and it gave them panic attacks (if so, why were they watching it), or what are we saying here exactly?

Sure seems like an attack on free speech to me.

It is an attack on free speech... nothing more. Its all hype & bullsh*t and it should terrify EVERY (sane) person. Anyone applauding this is applauding their own end & those people are fvcking stupid. Get in the box car peasant.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

You also dont have the right to tell a parent their kid isnt dead and keep pushing that narrative on national radio/television/whatever else without consequence. That sets a bad precedent as well.

Bullsh*t. You either believe in freedom or you don't. Sounds like you don't.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Bullsh*t. You either believe in freedom or you don't. Sounds like you don't.

Sounds like you're okay with pushing a false narrative and then having a fanbase harass the people you're pushing the narrative on, on the basis of "free speech". Sounds something like a Democrat would be for.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Leo656

People sue and win for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" all the time, as well as "instigation of harassment". Many of the victims' parents have been stalked and harassed and had violent threats made against them, and when questioned about it the stalkers and harassers always say, with pride, "I heard it on Alex Jones."

You can't with a straight face say this guy is somehow blameless. Nor he is the kind of guy who deserves even one shred of defense or benefit of the doubt. He's a grifter, he gets rich peddling misery. That's his one and only function; hiding behind "free speech" doesn't make him any less of a parasite.

This. But you know, the crybabies are gonna go "Its an attack on free speech!" Cry harder.

[Andrew NDB]

Looked into this a little more. So apparently we're talking about Jones originally talking about this conspiracy theory a grand total of about 24 minutes over a couple shows almost a decade ago before he pretty quickly apologized (apparently 12 times, and long before there was any talk of a lawsuit), said he was wrong and never brought it up ever again. Also, he never brought up any of the parents' names or anything. It was Hillary's people who dredged up those 24 minutes to wave around in the media to try and use it as a smear against Trump, by association, in 2016.

So yeah. There wasn't any damages. Maybe by Hillary's people, for dredging up the aforementioned 24 minutes and making that front page news everywhere and repeatedly.

Originally Posted by Leo656

People sue and win for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" all the time, as well as "instigation of harassment".

See "frivolous lawsuits."

Many of the victims' parents have been stalked and harassed and had violent threats made against them, and when questioned about it the stalkers and harassers always say, with pride, "I heard it on Alex Jones."

Yeah, that's been debunked. He didn't tell or suggest anyone to do anything like that and there aren't any quotes to that end. This is the same as "Trump directed people to storm the capitol!" when there is nothing in what he said to remotely suggest that. Might as well be "the Devil made me do it."

Meaningless.

You can't with a straight face say this guy is somehow blameless.

"Blame" implies there is some act that there would either be responsibility or innocence from. What are we talking about here? Blame in what? Parents claiming they're damaged somehow and need to be multi millionaires now because of what someone said on a podcast known to be nutty for 24 minutes almost ten years ago? Give me a break.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But, that's not a crime. It's a horrible thing to do, of course.

It's a social judgement - but you know what? I think he should pay something to those families for digging in so deeply on his conspiracy theories. But I also think the judgements against him are way too steep and outlandish.

Basically Jones became the public face for vengeance from the life-angry over a terrible event, even in this thread you can tell by some of the pathetic posters jerking themselves off over their strange "win". So Jones should pay those families because there likely was some form of slander and libel involved. But Jones didn't kill anybody and he was ordered to pay way too much money to those people, as if he did kill someone.

To anyone getting a serotonin boost from this news - be careful you life-angry, fist-pumping f&(ks. The social-crediting will come for you more easily - after all you are just another peasant @$$hole like the rest of us and not rich and powerful like Loudmouth Alex Jones. If the mob got him for a billion, it will easily get you for your nonsense. The only difference is that it will be through small-action sabotage and finger-pointing... you know... to match your life-levels.

As with all things I look for the real when people communicate - opinions don't bother me at all, but it's different when you can see the truth of people that the opinions are covering up. They make caricatures out of these people in movies... or at least they used to...

[Leo656]

So because "free speech", people should be allowed to very loudly and repeatedly lie, even after those lies have incited other people towards violence and harassment, because "lying and spreading disinformation is a victimless crime"? Bullsh*t.

You guys are seriously f*cking cracked with this far-right stuff. It's not an all-or-nothing game. When you can clearly SEE a person is as spectacularly full of sh*t as someone like Alex Jones, and that his disciples take his rhetoric to the ugliest of extremes, you can't in good conscience continue to sit there and defend them by saying "Well he can technically say whatever he wants to!"

Lawsuits are how you try and correct this kind of thing in a society that insists you can't punch someone in the face for being an unrepentant asshole. Ideally, violence would be acceptable in this kind of situation when it's abundantly clear that the guy in question is doing no good whatsoever on this Earth. But since you can't legally smack them, you have to smack them through the legal system itself. It's the only way it stops.

Liars cannot be allowed to lie, especially when their lies have an enormous trickle-down effect on other people.

I'm not even gonna front, if I was a parent and one of MY kids had been killed in a school shooting, and some scumbag like this was going around saying "Nah, never happened," I 100% would have killed the guy already myself. These people suing him are way, WAY nicer than I am. Whatever losses he accrues are a much lighter penalty than a guy like him deserves.

Y'all need better f*cking heroes, man. Alex f*cking Jones of all people. Jesus.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

"Blame" implies there is some act that there would either be responsibility or innocence from. What are we talking about here? Blame in what? Parents claiming they're damaged somehow and need to be multi millionaires now because of what someone said on a podcast known to be nutty for 24 minutes almost ten years ago? Give me a break.

If I have to repeatedly move because people are publishing my address online and inciting people to stalk and harass and make death threats against me and my family, you bet your ass I'm going to pursue any and ALL action to correct that situation, because that situation is entirely unacceptable.

"Oh, stop whining and just move and get over it" isn't good enough, pal. And if that idiot is where the sh*t rolls downhill from - and he IS - then let King Sh*thead pay the freight. He created these nutjobs who act abhorrently in his name, let him be the one responsible for them.

You have more empathy for a con artist with a talk show who wouldn't stop to piss on you if you were on fire than the people who've been stalked and harassed by his brainwashed disciples, because he's out there "pwning the Libtards" and that just blows my goddamn mind.