The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Groverman62

Luckyday, does it really need to be like those shows? I ask that as a genuine question.

[TLP]

I think some of the story/character arcs drag on waaayyyy too long. (Mutagen Man, Karai, the turtles in April's cabin, and apparently the upcoming 13-episode story arc with the heroes in Space.)

In the case with "SnaKarai" (I apologize, that name is bad), the reason she wasn't cured by Season 3 is SIMPLY because they want to drag out her mutant state as long as possible so the heroes don't get their happy ending. (This show loves cliffhangers to the point where it's totally expected.) Even if it mean repeating the same plots over and over

I can't help post this link for others to read, as it reminds me of what this show does a lot with it's darker moments:
Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by TLP

I think some of the story/character arcs drag on waaayyyy too long. (Mutagen Man, Karai, the turtles in April's cabin, and apparently the upcoming 13-episode story arc with the heroes in Space.)

In the case with "SnaKarai" (I apologize, that name is bad), the reason she wasn't cured by Season 3 is SIMPLY because they want to drag out her mutant state as long as possible so the heroes don't get their happy ending. (This show loves cliffhangers to the point where it's totally expected.) Even if it mean repeating the same plots over and over

I can't help post this link for others to read, as it reminds me of what this show does a lot with it's darker moments:
Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy

Yeah this the show in spades. The characters often go through so much but it's doesn't feel like it most of the time. The show is dark and edgy but without any meaning behind its tragedies. It's just mostly shock factor and somehow that makes it seem less mature even with the dark subtext. It's like this is the kiddie version of Sucker Punch . A movie that trying to be dark and gritty but has a child's idea of it.

I really hated how they are dragging the out the mutant karai arc as long as possible. I was okay with at first because I thought it was going to be a extra layer of conflict of her adjusting but in reality it's an excuse to drag out it as long possible.
There going to be a point when people are going to get sick of this and it's only started recently with season 3. I can't help but feel that she was better off not being Miwa.

They are ruining one of their best well written character into a plot device. There's a lot of interesting potential that they can do instead more of this "capturing the flag" BS.

[Technogeek29]

Reading all these post of April and I can't help but feel a similarity here.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Reading all these post of April and I can't help but feel a similarity here.

http://www.xcerebro.friko.pl/pics/galeria/ev5.jpg

Particularly something like this happens

(Warning Mute video or computer if you are offended by Lady Gaga.)

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Reading all these post of April and I can't help but feel a similarity here.

http://www.xcerebro.friko.pl/pics/galeria/ev5.jpg

I guess that makes Donnie and Casey the Cyclops and Wolverine of this series.

[Avatar Yuffie]

This season feels disjointed. First half dragged on too long (which is a shame I usually LIKE the Norhompton arc of the past adaptations), the second half about going after Karai led to nowhere and ended in a disappointing note.

The saving grace was the Triceraton arc, but it should have been built up more. Bishop should have more episodes.

Also kudos to the writers that they ease off a bit with the Don/April/Casey romance and allowed her to have actual interaction with the other Turtles, I just wish they don't forget her side plot regarding her missing mom.

Then they lost some brownie points how Casey said the last line that ended the season. I know Nickelodeon most likely demanded the writers to end the episode in a lighter note, but if your narrative has to the take a dark turn, stick to it. The kids will understand. The parents will understand.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Reading all these post of April and I can't help but feel a similarity here.

http://www.xcerebro.friko.pl/pics/galeria/ev5.jpg

Yeah and I bet they are going to go with The Dark Phoenix route soon.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Particularly something like this happens

(Warning Mute video or computer if you are offended by Lady Gaga.)

I've watched X-Men Evolution twice and I don't remember the Phoenix appearing outside of the flashforward in the final episode.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Yeah and I bet they are going to go with The Dark Phoenix route soon.

Yeah I have a hard time seeing April's powers going in a direction that isn't a dark one.

Spoiler:

But I hope it gets even darker than the Phoenix.

[victory_angel]

Still a Dark April plot could be an interesting twist in the story. And it could potentially settle the capritello side plot. Plus it has potential for a teen titans reference.

[GoldMutant]

I have mentioned the show failing it's tragedies before, but is it bad I didn't care for Splinter dying at all? Hear me out on this...

I'm going to ignore the novel for this as it's easier, but looking back, the show really hasn't built off it's depressing moments. I've mentioned Mutagen Man and Karai several times as examples, but Splinter really is settling up there. For example, take the Invasion when Splinter was thrown into the whirlpool by Shredder. Yes, all those present reacted how they did and it was executed well, by far one of my favorite scenes of the series. Then, it takes a serious case of ignoring the event in question.

During Northampton, the show had a perfect opportunity on the emotional turmoil with the fatherly figure of Splinter, which was brought up in his presumed demise in Within the Woods. However, as that arc proceeded onward, all conflicts in NYC for building off were few and far between. The only true time they contributed to Splinter is Vision Quest with his spirit directly out of the 1990 live action film. Following that episode, he's feral in Return to New York briefly, then all of a sudden back to normal thanks to deus ex April.

I can understand if I need to take time into account and imagine it for myself, but the issue is a television show should explain the context of what occurs. Even if I have fun doing it and immerses me further into the product, it doesn't contribute much to the plot. It ruins the significance of any event present if the character isn't handled well; considering Splinter's importance has declined heavily, they needed one major event to trump season 2 and 1. Balance of FW and 4kids or not, there's no justification to me on this at all.

Due to what they did with ignoring MM and failing to do meaningful ideas with Karai, this tragedy holds no place in my heart. It is simply for shock value and I'm not buying into it going into season 4. Not trying to be a Negative Nancy as I do love this Splinter, but I honestly don't trust what's set in store. It's essentially a double edged sword for me: if he survives, that proves these events are just shock values for minor setbacks. However, if Splinter is truly dead, I expect him to have an effect on the Turtles, Casey, and April (even Karai!) or it'll remain another failure on the show's part tragedy wise.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

I have mentioned the show failing it's tragedies before, but is it bad I didn't care for Splinter dying at all? Hear me out on this...

I'm going to ignore the novel for this as it's easier, but looking back, the show really hasn't built off it's depressing moments. I've mentioned Mutagen Man and Karai several times as examples, but Splinter really is settling up there. For example, take the Invasion when Splinter was thrown into the whirlpool by Shredder. Yes, all those present reacted how they did and it was executed well, by far one of my favorite scenes of the series. Then, it takes a serious case of ignoring the event in question.

During Northampton, the show had a perfect opportunity on the emotional turmoil with the fatherly figure of Splinter, which was brought up in his presumed demise in Within the Woods. However, as that arc proceeded onward, all conflicts in NYC for building off were few and far between. The only true time they contributed to Splinter is Vision Quest with his spirit directly out of the 1990 live action film. Following that episode, he's feral in Return to New York briefly, then all of a sudden back to normal thanks to deus ex April.

I can understand if I need to take time into account and imagine it for myself, but the issue is a television show should explain the context of what occurs. Even if I have fun doing it and immerses me further into the product, it doesn't contribute much to the plot. It ruins the significance of any event present if the character isn't handled well; considering Splinter's importance has declined heavily, they needed one major event to trump season 2 and 1. Balance of FW and 4kids or not, there's no justification to me on this at all.

Due to what they did with ignoring MM and failing to do meaningful ideas with Karai, this tragedy holds no place in my heart. It is simply for shock value and I'm not buying into it going into season 4. Not trying to be a Negative Nancy as I do love this Splinter, but I honestly don't trust what's set in store. It's essentially a double edged sword for me: if he survives, that proves these events are just shock values for minor setbacks. However, if Splinter is truly dead, I expect him to have an effect on the Turtles, Casey, and April (even Karai!) or it'll remain another failure on the show's part tragedy wise.

Yup, damn if they do, pissing off the millions of children everywhere, and damn if they don't and taking away any credibility that was left within the show.

The ball is in your court, Brandon Auman.

[Penst0ck]

There is a lack of Mona Lisa in this new intro, and it displeases me.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by Penst0ck

There is a lack of Mona Lisa in this new intro, and it displeases me.

That,...and the theme song is now shortened.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Penst0ck

There is a lack of Mona Lisa in this new intro, and it displeases me.

I'm assuming she's going to have less than 5 episodes, that's kind of what this show does with most of it's characters.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...iwwco1_500.jpg

So... You want the show to be flat-out terrible?

[Foombamaroom]

The problem with this show is that it goes for shock value. They have SO many good opportunities for plots, but they don't take them. Leonardo's attack should've given him PTSD, Raph should've stayed dark, Karai should've been resolved, so, yeah, I don't think they're going to handle this Splinter thing really well.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

The problem with this show is that it goes for shock value. They have SO many good opportunities for plots, but they don't take them. Leonardo's attack should've given him PTSD, Raph should've stayed dark, Karai should've been resolved, so, yeah, I don't think they're going to handle this Splinter thing really well.

Technically, Leo did go through a mild case of PTSD. His trying to deal with his leg injury. I felt it was handled pretty realistically given the type of show it is.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

The problem with this show is that it goes for shock value. They have SO many good opportunities for plots, but they don't take them. Leonardo's attack should've given him PTSD, Raph should've stayed dark, Karai should've been resolved, so, yeah, I don't think they're going to handle this Splinter thing really well.

There's no way the show could've given Leo PTSD if Nick thought the finale was too adult so would Leo having PTSD. If the show was a comic aimed at adults I'm sure it'd be better , but it's a show ained at kids with elements aimed at fans.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

So... You want the show to be flat-out terrible?

Why would it be terrible if it was more like one of those shows?