Joker 2

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like it's really going to happen:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/joker-2-...igin-film-set/

[CyberCubed]

There should be a bit of a time skip to show his beginning as a criminal mastermind.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe it's unfair of me but... I'm skeptical.

[Andrew NDB]

All I see at this point is "Not Man of Steel 2."

[AquaParade]

Several reputable trades are reporting conflicting things right now. Some saying the sequel is on and others refuting the fact.

I seriously hope the sequel is happening. It's pretty easy for me to write-off something I don't like, so I'm glad to roll the dice on a sequel. It could be great. Easily my most anticipated film if true.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently the director will oversee other DC origin movies?

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/...qq7ipMIqVzdCag

So... over here we have the Harley cinematic universe, and over here we have the DC villain origin universe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

All I see at this point is "Not Man of Steel 2."

Man, you and me both.

No Man of Steel 2, no Green Lantern Corps.

And, uh... not that I WANT the film with Ezra Miller, but it also means no Flash. So silver linings, I guess?

[AquaParade]

Would have loved to see what Man of Steel 2 could have been. I mean, I guess you can argue that BvS is Man of Steel 2, technically, unless Zach Snyder actually had a different direction he wanted to take things.

I think, in theory, introducing a new Batman in what would be "Man of Steel 2" could have worked in a cool way. Obviously, they crammed too much into BvS, but I still think I would have liked to see Man of Steel 2 as a Batman vs Superman film, but with more focus and less narrative threads.

That aside, I still would have seen a Man of Steel 2, without Bruce. I really enjoyed Man of Steel. When I think of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman together, it's actually a pretty cool set of films, in my mind. They aren't perfect and they aren't my favorites, but I appreciate them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Man, you and me both.

No Man of Steel 2, no Green Lantern Corps.

Which are the only two things they should even be worrying about right now.

And, uh... not that I WANT the film with Ezra Miller, but it also means no Flash. So silver linings, I guess?

And again, if they go around and recast Batman, maybe even Superman, but don't recast Flash (the only role that ever needed to be recast)... that will be infuriating.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Maybe it's unfair of me but... I'm skeptical.

Yep.

First one was good, but so was Wonder Woman, and by all accounts WB learned exactly every single wrong lesson from the success of that and other films, and has micro-managed the sequel into a train wreck. Obviously, I haven't seen it, but many people already have, the test screening leaks all mirror each other, so there's obviously some fire behind the smoke, and it all sounds horrible. I can totally see something bad happening to a Joker sequel, as well.

If we know nothing else, WB is incapable of repeating a triumph. The problem with movies like Wonder Woman and Joker succeeding beyond expectations is, they weren't really expected to do all that well in the first place, thus the studio sort of stayed in the background and let the filmmakers do their jobs, and that led to some great things. HOWEVER, the thinking of the average WB executive is, "Well now, if some piss-ant movie like 'Joker' can make over a billion dollars WITHOUT our hands all over it, just imagine how much money we can make after we focus-group the hell out of the sequel!"

Don't forget, it only made as much profit (NOT box office, specifically Profit) because they didn't spend anything on it. They'll inevitably spend more on the sequel, which means they'll need to sell even more tickets to break even, and more spending means more micro-managing. They also simply can't keep making Joker movies that only passingly reference Batman, so whether anyone likes it or not, they're most likely going to try and finagle something to tie the "Joker Universe" into the Pattinson Batman universe, if they're not already trying to do that. Which I'm positive they are. I can promise you that they do NOT want three or four conflicting "Jokers" running around in a bunch of movies that don't connect. People like this Joker, thus WB is going to try and find a way to make him the "Official" version of the character going forward. I'm quite certain that the main reason they didn't already announce a sequel is because they're simply trying to "make it fit" with their other plans.

I mean, I liked the first one alright despite expecting nothing from it, so I'm cautiously optimistic. There's just only a few ways it can go Right and a hundred ways it can go Very Wrong. Phoenix did a good enough job to make me want to see more of him. BUT. It's WB. WB has never seen a good thing they couldn't ruin. It's entirely what they do.

We'll see.

[AquaParade]

Nah. They aren't about to tie it in with Matt Reeve's Batman or anything.

Todd and Joaquin have WB by the balls right now. They can choose to leave or return. If they return, it's going to be on their terms. Their terms have clearly been stated as "separate universe from DCEU".

Of course, if the first film is anything to go by, this film will have to go through a gauntlet of doom prophecies and audience outrage before it is finally allowed to prove itself.

My two cents, anyway.

[Leo656]

We'll see. You have a lot more faith in them than I do.

If you really believe that there have been NO conversations about "square peg/round hole"-ing this into their larger universe, I have a bridge to sell you. Movie executives don't care one bit about "integrity", nor are they inclined to let employees dictate terms to them about their big-name franchises. It might happen, it might not, but I promise you, that's a conversation they're having.

And even if it doesn't, and remains wholly its own separate thing, there's STILL a good chance they'll f*ck it up. Because again, it's WB. All they do is take good ideas and f*ck them up beyond repair due to shortsightedness and greed. I mean, every studio does that, but WB has raised incompetence to an art form.

Can they make two slam dunks in a row? Maybe, but it would be the first time in forever. We'll see.

[AquaParade]

Again, Ari Aster could direct the hell out of this. I'm dying to see what Todd Phillips will do, but mostly out of genuine curiosity. I'm not counting on him catching lightning in a bottle twice, if I'm honest, but I'll be there to see him try on day-1. Watch me change my tune as soon as the first trailer drops.

I'd be truly excited if they got Aster on board though. He has already directed some of the creepiest movies ever, and Joker deserves anything but a typical sequel. I'd love to see the sequel delve into the same territory as the recent A24 horror films. It has more in common with those than anything else, now that I think about it. They're often "horror" films, centered around characters and their psychosis, as well as family drama.

I'd want to see Aster bring just a hint, or a pinch of a supernatural element to the table. They've already provided the idea that Arthur is an unreliable narrator, so why not bring in a master of horror and suspense to take advantage of that fact? It even allows you to play with the Batman element without going overboard into that territory and becoming a Batman movie. Batman doesn't necessarily need to be real. Or at least proven to be real.

Another angle that I'd also be interested in would be seeing the sequel from another character's perspective. Wouldn't even mind if it was Jim Gordon tracking him down. Seeing the character from an outside point of view. It might be necessary with how batshit the ending to the first one is. Hardly anything makes sense when you think about it. There are gaping holes in Joker's story for sure.

[Andrew NDB]

Title revealed:

https://www.ign.com/articles/joker-2...ource=facebook

[Andrew NDB]

Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn?

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/joker-...aquin-phoenix/

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn?

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/joker-...aquin-phoenix/

Already ruined.

That trailer BETTER be good.

[AquaParade]

The idea of a sequel with Harley Quinn doesn't excite me, but after the first film, I'm still looking forward to whatever they do. Latest rumor is that it's part musical. Sounds about right, in the insane sort of way.

[ChosenOne]

Well, Joker's best moment in Arkham Knight is a musical act, so...

[Cowabung-Gal]

[Andrew NDB]

It wrapped.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/joker-s...th-new-photos/