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Old 03-18-2018, 09:33 PM   #41
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According to the director (who will next direct WB's "New Gods") the movie got all the bad reviews because of racism.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28273...uz-joseph-curl
You know, unlike usual, I really hoped this article will be about some kind of misunderstanding or hyperbole, but nope.

A really sad state of affairs. Reminds me of Alex Proyas's reaction, when critics bombed his Gods of the Egypt. I can only hope that she will be able to reflect on her words and do not do this mistake in the future. Playing "-ism" card, if you movie is a failure is like the last thing to do.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:24 PM   #42
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Brie Larson doesn't care what white people think about "A Wrinkle in Time." "It's wasn't for them."
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Brie Larson doesn't care what white people think about "A Wrinkle in Time." "It's wasn't for them."
I want to make a witty comment, but at moments like this I feel like idiocy of such statement doesn't need a commentary.

My personal feeling, is that it's absolutely disgraceful and ugly to cry that movie was not understood / was not successful because of some kind of racial or whatever other bias. It makes a person to look like an idiot and amateur who wants to deflect criticism by appealing to some kind of bias.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:58 PM   #44
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Brie Larson doesn't care what white people think about "A Wrinkle in Time." "It's wasn't for them."
That's our Captain Marvel ladies and gents
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:35 PM   #45
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That's our Captain Marvel ladies and gents
More like "Captain Virtue Signal".

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Old 06-14-2018, 08:18 PM   #46
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I know, ain't she great?
I mean she's not wrong, why does one minority opinion get way more press than the others.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:27 PM   #47
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More like "Captain Virtue Signal".

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I can't judge whether the movie was for me or not, because I already hated the book...

But based on what I've looked into, the movie seemed to hew fairly close to the book. Enough to disinterest me, anyway.

And a 100-foot Oprah sure isn't going to earn points from me. Nor Reese Witherspoon turning into a magic leaf carpet. I don't remember EITHER of those from the book.

Actually, thinking about it, I think they changed up the three Whitches, or Whoses, or angels, or Three Magical Ladies, a lot. I don't think they were so spectacle-driven in the book.

Whatever, Andrew called it best: bomb written all over it. Too bad.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:42 PM   #49
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I don't think it takes a dramatic leap in logic to say that if you didn't like the source material then chances are good the film adaptation of that Source material might not be within your wheelhouse.

This would be why I never have to see an adaptation of the Narnia books.
Or why blessedly I will never watch a Green Lantern movie.

But then, I wasn't really the Target demographic for the source material for either of those.

There's been a lot of kvetching on this forum about "fake geek" sites reviewing geek movies and then not giving them the accolades so-called true fans would have given them.

Kind of the same argument isn't it?
The target audience of a thing will have a different reaction to that thing then someone who has no emotional investment in it.
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I don't think it takes a dramatic leap in logic to say that if you didn't like the source material then chances are good the film adaptation of that Source material might not be within your wheelhouse.

This would be why I never have to see an adaptation of the Narnia books.
Or why blessedly I will never watch a Green Lantern movie.

But then, I wasn't really the Target demographic for the source material for either of those.

There's been a lot of kvetching on this forum about "fake geek" sites reviewing geek movies and then not giving them the accolades so-called true fans would have given them.

Kind of the same argument isn't it?
The target audience of a thing will have a different reaction to that thing then someone who has no emotional investment in it.
That's why I'm not passing myself off as an expert critique on this. But I'm 99% sure 100-ft woman wasn't in the book...

I wish it had done better, for my friends who DO like the book. But it was fighting an uphill battle, same as the Narnia movies.
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I think she replaced Auntie Beast, though I couldn't say why.
I only read the book for the first time myself not too long ago.
And I'm sad to report that while I know many people for whom this book was a cultural Touchstone in their youth, it did nothing for me.

This is probably because I am well past the window of opportunity.
Except for that bit about the town. I really like the creepy synchronous town.
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I think she replaced Auntie Beast, though I couldn't say why.
I only read the book for the first time myself not too long ago.
And I'm sad to report that while I know many people for whom this book was a cultural Touchstone in their youth, it did nothing for me.

This is probably because I am well past the window of opportunity.
Except for that bit about the town. I really like the creepy synchronous town.
That was the only part of the book that I liked, too!
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I know, ain't she great?
I mean she's not wrong, why does one minority opinion get way more press than the others.
What minority? White people? Since then they are minority?

And if you subscribe to this logic, then only black people have right to criticize stuff made by black people and only Asians have right stuff to criticize stuff made bu Asians and only white people (whoever the **** they are) have right to criticize stuff made by white people. Which just another form of racism.

We can go further and prohibit those pesky white people to watch stuff made by blacks. Who cares about whities opinion, right? However, then what those cretins will do when they movie will bomb with the black audience too? Cry that it was some racist conspiracy and that they movie failed because of evil white people?

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Kind of the same argument isn't it?
The target audience of a thing will have a different reaction to that thing then someone who has no emotional investment in it.
No, because, people appreciate thing for its quality, whether they are like source material or not. Without racial bias involved.
So, no, it's definitely not the same thing. Words have meaning.
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I was super stoked to see the town in the trailer, but... yeah. From the forced these to the theology to how insufferable the little alien kid was... Just not a thing for me.

I will say I really did enjoy the portrayal of both of the parents.
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I was super stoked to see the town in the trailer, but... yeah. From the forced these to the theology to how insufferable the little alien kid was... Just not a thing for me.

I will say I really did enjoy the portrayal of both of the parents.
Can't stand the little brother. Hated him in the book. You can't lampshade "hey, this kid is abnormally intelligent", have everyone else blithely accept it, and NEVER EXPLAIN IT.

As a father of a kid near that age, I belligerently call BS. Willing suspension of disbelief, shattered like a kid's heart on prom night.
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Maybe the plan was to address this in later books?
I'm told the series just gets weirder.
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Mindy Kaling joins Brie Larson in "This movie wasn't for white people"/"if there were more non-white people critics, people would have (been tricked into) seen this movie."

And not, you know, "Oops. We did a bad movie." I guess there's never been a movie about white people that has done bad that's been reviewed by white people ever, right?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...L&ocid=UP97DHP

After all, those pesky white critics really ravaged "Black Panther," didn't they?
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Mindy Kaling joins Brie Larson in "This movie wasn't for white people"/"if there were more non-white people critics, people would have (been tricked into) seen this movie."

And not, you know, "Oops. We did a bad movie." I guess there's never been a movie about white people that has done bad that's been reviewed by white people ever, right?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...L&ocid=UP97DHP

After all, those pesky white critics really ravaged "Black Panther," didn't they?
Actually she is blaming white male critics for the mixed reviews of Ocean's 8
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Whatever this virtue signal people will say it won't change the fact that those movies were most mediocre and this is THE reason why they have failed. Movies do not fail, just because of the critics.

How many examples when the movie was mediocre, but it was financial success, despite critics lambasting it left and right?
And how many examples when the critics were praising the movie like a masterpiece, whereas the movie itself failed in the box-office?

All this "white people failed our movies" is just trash deflection by not particularly smart people. Because, any fool, with modicum of brain can understand when someone starts blaming some kind of conspiracy or bias for the failure of the movie, it reeks of desperate deflection.
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Actually she is blaming white male critics for the mixed reviews of Ocean's 8
Not exactly. Her exact quote was "If I had to base my career on what white men wanted I would be very unsuccessful. So there is obviously an audience out there who want to watch things like, what I work on, what Sarah works on."

It's about Ocean's 8, it's about Wrinkle, it's about all of it.

And actually looking at the box office, Ocean's 8 is actually performing decently -- it's already made its whole budget back domestically, which is where it counts. The rest of weekend #2, then weekend 3 or 4 will surely put things sufficiently into the green. I'm not sure what she's complaining about.
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