Porn drawn by official staff members under anonymous names

[neatoman]

I was just directed to a bit of non-news. Appearently some artists involved with the show have been drawing Turtlecest porn and uploading it to anonymous accounts. Personally, I don't care much, I just find it chuckleworthy. It's like that old porn comic made by the Archie staff, artists making porn of the stuff they're working on is hardly new. Walt Disney himself fired a few animators for making Mickey Mouse porn.

Anyway I'm not posting any links or even telling what the name of the blogger is, for rather obvious reasons. If you want proof, just PM me.

[lonewarrior20]

i find it amazing how crazy some people are getting on this. clearly they haven't looked around much cause theres a ton on the 2003 and 2012 series. hell i've seen doujinshis for sale on ebay.

[IndigoErth]

Er. What.

I mean, it doesn't surprise me that creators of things might draw porn or porn parodies... Humans are never going to stop taking things there. It just better be shared in adult-only spaces.

The part I don't get is the incest part and why it's so appealing, and from people involved in that very kid's show no less. Really, what the hell. I hope said accounts are not on anything those target audience kids might come across, even via Google, because that's kind of messed up.

[Leo656]

Awesome. Porn everywhere. That's the world I wanna live in. That specific kind wouldn't be to my personal tastes but whatever, go nuts. I'm inclined to believe that people are generally either Huge Perverts or Seriously Repressed with very little middle ground, so anything that reinforces the former always makes me laugh. If it's the "official" artists, even more so.

Didn't Curt Swan used to do porn commissions "inspired" by Lois and Clark and Co., or am I thinking of someone else? It was someone prominent from that era.

Anyways, this is funny to me.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Er. What.

I mean, it doesn't surprise me that creators of things might draw porn or porn parodies... Humans are never going to stop taking things there. It just better be shared in adult-only spaces.

The part I don't get is the incest part and why it's so appealing, and from people involved in that very kid's show no less. Really, what the hell. I hope said accounts are not on anything those target audience kids might come across, even via Google, because that's kind of messed up.

Same, but I guess it has to do with how the more taboo something is, the more appealing it is for some people.

I mean, I think I've seen "Frozen" all of once, but thanks to the magic of the Interwebz I've seen Elsa and Anna do all kinds of stuff to each other. I can safely say that never once have I had any sort of moral objection to it.

If people object to anything about the whole deal in general, I think it should be the ugly manner in which the Turtles themselves are drawn in "Rise". I can't see anyone, even chicks or gay dudes, finding those TMNT attractive enough to fap to, but I guess since I'm not the "audience" I wouldn't really know.

Like a lot of chicks seem to be attracted to the 2K3 Turtles, and I can kinda see that given the art style of that show. I'unno who'd ever pop a Lady Boner for the "Rise" ones, but again, that's just me.

[DarkFell]

That doesn't surprise me. Venus, Ninjara, Jennika (is she a sibling? If so, scratch that), and Alopex belong to three comic book universes and two (?) TV shows within the same franchise. Therefore, getting them altogether into the fray might be somewhat problematic.

Like Leo mentioned, the internet tends to desensitize all that venture off-road into stranger territory at their own risk. Another day passes, more images are made, and more opinions will form when said images are posted for all to see.

[Dejablue]

Don't care that animators draw adult stuff but I do object strongly to incest. That **** is gross and objectionable.

I have to keep reminding myself that the Rise guys aren't biologically related but it doesn't matter. They were raised together as siblings. T-Cest takes a massive smelly dump on the brotherhood bonds of the turtles. I hate it unconditionally.

[Leo656]

I wasn't aware that the "Rise" TMNT aren't biologically related, but since they're not I fail to see any inherent "ickiness" to it with those versions of the characters unless someone just plain doesn't like the thought of them being gay/bi in the first place. Maybe that's a semantic point but I feel it's relevant.

Like some people say it'd be creepy for any of them to bang Venus in Next Mutation universe canon, but if they're not related they're not related. That means Game On as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, I guess it could also be logical to me simply because I've known plenty of people who were very close friends "like brothers/like sisters" (while not being related of course) who banged anyway simply because the opportunity was there. Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!

But yeah, it does kind of baffle me why that specific thing is apparently so popular and prominent when it comes to people depicting the TMNT in porn. It shows up in any kind of NSFW search on them regardless of what you're actually searching for, even if you're trying to see them ganging up on April or something, so I've seen more of it than I ever wanted or expected to over the years. I'm pretty jaded, so I can't say it "bothers" me per se, and frankly I hardly even notice it anymore since I'm not looking for it, but I do wonder why it's apparently SO popular.

It's probably as simple as "chicks like to see guys do it as much as guys like to see chicks do it", but that's just what my gut tells me. And even that's probably over-simplifying it greatly.

[Dejablue]

I wasn't aware that the "Rise" TMNT aren't biologically related, but since they're not I fail to see any inherent "ickiness" to it with those versions of the characters unless someone just plain doesn't like the thought of them being gay/bi in the first place. Maybe that's a semantic point but I feel it's relevant.

Like some people say it'd be creepy for any of them to bang Venus in Next Mutation universe canon, but if they're not related they're not related. That means Game On as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, I guess it could also be logical to me simply because I've known plenty of people who were very close friends "like brothers/like sisters" (while not being related of course) who banged anyway simply because the opportunity was there. Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!

I gave you a clear reason why t-cest is messed up that has nothing to do with being gay or bi. Hell you could even say that its unprofessional. They are trained fighters all pretty much forced to live together in a sewer. In real life its always advised to not date your co-workers, the same can be said here. In fact its probably worse.



Not TMNT related but the same arguments can apply.

Also your friends who say they were close like brothers/sisters. Normally when people say that its hyperbole. Feeling close to someone isn't the same as actually living under the same roof, and living a giant majority of your youth with someone and being cared for by a parent as if you are brothers/sisters.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Awesome. Porn everywhere. That's the world I wanna live in.
....
If people object to anything about the whole deal in general, I think it should be the ugly manner in which the Turtles themselves are drawn in "Rise". I can't see anyone, even chicks or gay dudes, finding those TMNT attractive enough to fap to, but I guess since I'm not the "audience" I wouldn't really know.
I'unno who'd ever pop a Lady Boner for the "Rise" ones, but again, that's just me.

Fully agree.

I'm not a big fan of Doxxing. It's kind of cowshit. The kind of cow **** that often comes from people with far too much time on their hands. If you don't like what somebody else is saying/doing - confront them directly. It's how you solve differences. Talking in circles or trying to raise an army of angry people to fight battle for you is weak, and pathetic. Like Calling a moderator. Weak.

If your point is as valid as you feel it is, you will stand your ground, and the other will at worst hear you, and possibly even respect you for being direct.

This is the way.

[Leo656]

I'unno man. I think it varies by each individual and their personal values. I do have two friends who didn't live together but spent a ton of time together all through their youth and "practically" grew up together given all the time they spent together. And when they got older they gay-banged. It happens. It's not exactly the same since they didn't grow up in the same house but they still saw each other almost every day and spent a ton of time together, and it still goes to show that it happens. And I don't think it's THAT different. And at the end of the day it's their own personal business.

Also, as a wrestler I have to laugh at the "Don't f*ck your co-workers" thing, since that's ALL THEY DO is f*ck each other. I'm married so I don't partake, but yeah, when exceptionally fit people spend a lot of time naked around each other they have a habit of eventually f*cking, straight or gay, friends or not, it just "magically" sort of happens.

I'unno. Like I said, I'm extremely jaded due to life experience. As long as nobody's touching kids or killing anybody or making anyone do stuff they don't actively wanna do, I literally don't care what anyone does, it's their business.

[Dejablue]

I have to admit I do get into "Yes I mad" territory when it comes to these sort of topics. Not enough to try and get this person fired. Its nowhere near worth the effort. But I can't help but scrunch my noise up in disgust. Your example about wrestlers ****ing each other doesn't apply to this situation. They aren't brothers and sisters. ALSO wrestlers can afford to shag each other because whether or not they do has no impact on showmanship in the ring, they're actors. Same for friends who feel like they are like brothers and sisters. It doesn't matter if they see each other every day. They aren't "brothers and sisters".

When I say incest within the team dynamic of tmnt would be a bad thing is because it could obliterate the team dynamic. And within the reality of their universe that's not a good thing considering their lives are on the line.

A lot of this are based in social taboos and constructs but goddamn these taboos exist for a reason.

And also that's still a stupid idea anyway, like is Hollywood healthier because everyone ****s around. Objectively no. Also look at all the claims of pedophilia crawling around that place. This is what you get with being "jaded".

[Leo656]

((Shrug)) I'm more of a Libertine in such matters, it would seem.

Be they real or fictional, I'm not gonna cry Foul on what consenting people do. But that's me. Obviously pedophilia is bad but using that as an example of the "slipperly slope" fallacy with regards to sexuality and mores and what's taboo and what isn't or should and shouldn't be, is a little like calling someone "Hitler" to make a point. It's an extreme Hail Mary play, is all.

And these characters are entirely fictional, therefore there are no "taboos" being broken, anyway. They're drawings. Maybe it'd be different if they were real people, or based on real people, but they're not. They only exist within the confines of peoples' imaginations.

Like no, they're not brothers, either real or symbolically, because they're not even real in the first place. Alan Moore would have a field day with this topic.

Also, porn as a thing in general is entirely about pushing back against what's "taboo". That's kind of the entire point of it. I don't know why anyone is ever surprised that stuff exists that would make someone go, "Oh my!" That's the entire point of pornography.

It's like when Alan Moore did "Lost Girls" and someone asked him if he'd be bothered by someone dismissing it as pornography; "It shouldn't be 'dismissed' as pornography because it IS pornography. That's entirely the point of it."

I don't suggest you read it, by the way. I have a strong feeling it's not to your taste, just based on this conversation. I only mention it because the entire point of that project was, "It's silly for anyone to get bent out of shape about the hypothetical sex lives of entirely fictional characters that only exist on paper and within the imagination." And it's an opinion I personally strongly agree with.

Let people fap to whatever they please, says I. Others may feel differently but I always kinda wonder why they care. I don't like the idea of Batman and Robin porn, for example, but I don't get all huffy about its existence, I just don't look at it. But I support others' right to choose for themselves what they "entertain" themselves with and not judge them for it. Most people project an air of "normalcy" but you still wouldn't wanna know what they're thinking about when they masturbate. And that's fine.

But again, that's my perspective on it. My humble opinion is that some people are bit too uptight about goofy nonsense like this. Just don't look at it, problem solved. I'unno.

((Shrug))
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Also, how would that wreck the team dynamic? If anything I'd think it would strengthen it. That's what the novel version of Stephen King's "It" would have me believe. They would'a never found their way out of the sewers if they didn't all run a train on whatsername! Typically in fiction, banging your teammates only brings you closer together. Unless you're Cyclops and Wolverine with Jean Grey in the middle. And that's only because Scott and Logan are secretly hot for each other but too "macho" to actually go there, otherwise everything would be fine.

[Dejablue]

If you approve of that scene in It then don't you approve of pedophila. An adult wrote preteens performing a gangbang like wtf. In fairly graphic detail no less. If what you said made even a tiny bit of sense they wouldn't have cut that **** out in the movies. Doesn't that invalidate your entire argument. Did you just say pedophilia is bad on one breath then describe a pedophilic scene in a book as "neat-o" in the next.

But pedophilia is a gargantuanly more wrong issue than incest so now I regret bring it up. Forget I brought it up.

[PApagreg]

Eh its a dumb witch hunt, I think Turtle incest porn is gross but if you don't like it don't watch it and especially don't harass the people who are making your show. This is probably the first time I'm ashamed of the Rise fandom like those animators aren't hurting anybody so why give them grief.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

I have to keep reminding myself that the Rise guys aren't biologically related but it doesn't matter. They were raised together as siblings. T-Cest takes a massive smelly dump on the brotherhood bonds of the turtles. I hate it unconditionally.

Actually they are biologically related because they have the same father(so at least half brothers)

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think it should be the ugly manner in which the Turtles themselves are drawn in "Rise". I can't see anyone, even chicks or gay dudes, finding those TMNT attractive enough to fap to, but I guess since I'm not the "audience" I wouldn't really know.

Like a lot of chicks seem to be attracted to the 2K3 Turtles, and I can kinda see that given the art style of that show. I'unno who'd ever pop a Lady Boner for the "Rise" ones, but again, that's just me.

Well beauty is subjective for example people always talk about how hot the 1985 She Ra characters are but they do nothing for me personally

Originally Posted by TommyT

Like Calling a moderator. Weak.

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[Dejablue]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Eh its a dumb witch hunt, I think Turtle incest porn is gross but if you don't like it don't watch it and especially don't harass the people who are making your show. This is probably the first time I'm ashamed of the Rise fandom like those animators aren't hurting anybody so why give them grief.




Actually they are biologically related because they have the same father(so at least half brothers)

They have some of the Baron's dna in them?

[Leo656]

If I have ever described ANYthing as "neat-o", ever, then I sincerely apologize. But I don't think I did. Doesn't sound like me. I say things are "spiffy", not "neat-o".

Also, I think you need to pay closer attention to my posts and get better at parsing which parts are sincere and which parts are tongue-in-cheek to make a broader point. It may assist you greatly if we're going to directly interact.

In this case, since it seems you missed the point, I'll explain: You suggested that "teammates knocking boots upsets the team dynamic", and I chose to cite a particularly well-known and ostentatious example of when it helped strengthen the bonds of a "team", rather than hurt it. Sure, I could have just said "Also, just about everyone in the X-Men and/or Justice League", but that wouldn't have been as colorful.

People can argue all day long about the Incest Taboo and that's all well and fair no matter how they feel about it. But to shift the conversation by saying, "Well, teammates having sex ruins the bonds of their team", especially within the confines of fictional stories, is just plain silly and there's very little evidence of it being the case at all. The opposite scenario, at least in fictional stories, is predominantly true.

I mean, Teen Titans was the highest-selling comic book at one point in the 80s, and that team was like Fleetwood Mac, with how everyone was swingin' with everyone else. Didn't hurt their teamwork one bit!

Anyways, sorry that my deliberately outrageous example in service of proving a point happened to sail over your head. But I'm pretty sure most people knew what I was getting at.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

They have some of the Baron's dna in them?

No Splinter's(Or Hamato Yoshi) DNA in fact Draxum thought the the former genes could make great warriors.

[Dejablue]

You didn't even address what I had to say about your opinions about 'It'. I wasn't even talking about the X-men thing or the romantic dynamics of comic book super heroes. None of whom are relationships of the sexual nature between siblings. So your examples are still...completely off topic and missing the point. Did you completely forget that the issue is incest.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

You didn't even address what I had to say about your opinions about 'It'. I wasn't even talking about the X-men thing or the romantic dynamics of comic book super heroes. None of whom are relationships of the sexual nature between siblings. So your examples are still...completely off topic and missing the point. Did you completely forget that the issue is incest.

No, I didn't reference any of that because I don't think it's entirely relevant, but if we're going to get hung up on that part of the topic, then sure, we can stay hung up on that. Although it seems to me that you're the only person in this thread taking absolutely anything at all very seriously, and I kind of chuckle at that. But sure, I'll indulge you as best I can.

- True story? I never read "It" in its entirety. It's pretty long. But like anyone else I'm more than aware of That Scene. And once more, I referenced it specifically because it's an Extreme Example To Prove A Point.

- No, I don't agree with pedophilia, but what I also don't agree with is censorship. Stephen King chose to include a scene of minors having sexual relations, which - I hate to break it to you - is a thing that happens a lot. I'm not sure how old the characters in the novel are specifically but the fact is, That Scene is more than likely the most true-to-life thing in the entire book, which is probably why he put it in there, aside from the fact he was probably coked off his tits when he wrote it.

He could have chosen to include it nor not include it, and obviously it was never going to be depicted in live action and that's probably for the best for countless reasons. But I have never once heard anyone imply Stephen King is a pedophile for scripting that scene, and if they do then they're silly. Just because a writer writes something, or a reader reads something, doesn't imply anything more than "This is the story".

That's like saying someone who writes a story that includes rape, is advocating for rape, or saying rape is good. No, that's not at all how it works, sometimes things just happen because they're stories and it's all fake.

- You actually did try to shift the topic away from the Incest Taboo by repeatedly saying, "Well, regardless of whether it's incest, it would hurt the team dynamic". And I said, "Well, no, that's actually not how it works at all," at least that's not how it works in fictional stories with fictional characters. Like TMNT. Or X-Men. Or Teen Titans. It's all fake. The characters aren't real. So it's silly to say, "These fictional characters having fictional sexual relations would in any way affect the dynamic of their fictional team." That's you projecting, nothing more.

- Once more with regard to the Incest Taboo - and I know I'm repeating myself, here - but they're fake, so it doesn't matter in this case. A person who draws porn depicting incest, or a person who chooses to view it, doesn't necessarily advocate for the idea of incest in real life, they're simply having a laugh at the expense of fictional characters. With regard to these characters and this situation, their "brotherly relationship" be it biological or adopted isn't real, their "team dynamic" isn't real. They don't even exist. Words on paper, or lines on paper, say nothing significant about the person who put them there or any person who looks at them. It's all in good fun, nothing more.

Maybe a better example of proving this point is the fact that, if you're a person who peruses certain "adult websites" - and I get the feeling you are not, and that's perfectly fine, but bear with me here - IF you frequent those sites, you'll find that scenes dealing with the "Incest Taboo" is pretty much the most popular subject matter by a wide margin. BUT, just because millions of people fap to fictional scenes about a guy banging his sister, doesn't mean that all or even any of those people acting in the scenes OR watching the scenes actually bang their siblings in real life, or even want to. The actors on the screen are simply playing roles, so although they're real people, their "family relationship" is exactly as fake as those of the TMNT characters. So ultimately, absolutely no harm is being done to anyone.

Because it's not real.

So hopefully that answers whatever questions you may have. So far, I've seen three specific things happening in this thread:
- A bunch of us a having a laugh about something very silly and ultimately inconsequential.
- You not quite grasping the difference between real-life people and fictional characters
- You using those misconceptions to kink-shame people and cast aspersions on their character based on vague assumptions.

I could be wrong about the reasoning behind your points or intentions, and if so then I apologize, that would be me projecting. But just out of curiosity, please answer Yes or No if you'd be kind enough to indulge me: DO you think anyone who goes on "Da 'Hub" and watches two people pretending to be related have sex are criminal deviants? Do you think the actors are also sick and twisted for performing the role? Or, is it all just people goofing around and it doesn't matter because the depiction of "incest" is completely fictional and without repercussion whatsoever?

Like I said, I'm genuinely curious as to what your answer to that is. And keep in mind, it's not a Right Answer/Wrong Answer kinda thing. Whatever you say is "right" because it's how you feel about it. I'm just curious as to what your specific logic is.

Put simply and plain, to hopefully avoid any future misunderstandings, mine is this: Real life incest is questionable, but what fictional characters do isn't. Because they're fictional.

This is also a lot more discussion than I ever thought I'd be having over such a silly, silly topic. But then again I didn't expect anyone to take the discussion this seriously in the first place. Shows what I know, huh?

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Eh its a dumb witch hunt, I think Turtle incest porn is gross but if you don't like it don't watch it and especially don't harass the people who are making your show. This is probably the first time I'm ashamed of the Rise fandom like those animators aren't hurting anybody so why give them grief.




Actually they are biologically related because they have the same father(so at least half brothers)



Well beauty is subjective for example people always talk about how hot the 1985 She Ra characters are but they do nothing for me personally


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Lol. Thanks. You doxxed yourself.