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[Dejablue]

You're retreating to "it's all fiction" and ignoring the context like everyone who can't stand to have problematic things pointed out to them. Nothing about a little girl getting a train run on her in that scene is true to life. The fact that King actually writes so poetically about something that in real life f*cks with people in ways we still don't understand tells, me he's literally one of the worst writers ever and likely also some kind of closet pedophile on some level.

The Beverly character would need therapy after that. She might not GET therapy but she'd need it. Also the way King writes her, its like she's a tired 38 year old sex slave who for the first time gets to decide when the sex happens, not a barely pubescent little girl.

Obviously not everyone who writes about a subject enjoys that in real life but King literally made child sex a magical f*cking ritual.

No pun intended.

There is literally no world, no universe, where writing that will ever make sense or be morally justifiable.

- You not quite grasping the difference between real-life people and fictional characters

F*ck you. If you can take cartoons super seriously then so can I.

When it comes to incest portrayal in porn. They are adults so it doesn't matter what they do. Also its porn so it doesn't matter because nothing in it is meant to be taken seriously and it's two consenting adults. My issue is with people who argue strongly that there is nothing wrong with incest. If its for a crappy joke I don't care, but in the case of most T-Cest I've come across, it's played seriously and straight, and that's the crap I have a problem with.

- Once more with regard to the Incest Taboo - and I know I'm repeating myself, here - but they're fake, so it doesn't matter in this case. A person who draws porn depicting incest, or a person who chooses to view it, doesn't necessarily advocate for the idea of incest in real life, they're simply having a laugh at the expense of fictional characters. With regard to these characters and this situation, their "brotherly relationship" be it biological or adopted isn't real, their "team dynamic" isn't real. They don't even exist. Words on paper, or lines on paper, say nothing significant about the person who put them there or any person who looks at them. It's all in good fun, nothing more.

Hahaha, where was all of this "its not real" nonsense when you go on your "back in mah day of 1925" tirades about how TMNT is going in the wrong direction. Yeah it's a cartoon. That doesn't seem to stop you from having very strong objections about literally everything in the modern era of this franchise.

This is also a lot more discussion than I ever thought I'd be having over such a silly, silly topic. But then again I didn't expect anyone to take the discussion this seriously in the first place. Shows what I know, huh?

Says the man who hates Rise but can't stay the f*ck out of the subforum. You want to blither on about how this show is bad and then defend incest and pedophilic writng. Holy sh*t.

My final opinion on this is: Incest is disgusting and yes I do snub my nose at people that are into it. But I'm not going to try and end anyone's career over it. Which is something I stated earlier. Can you recall that old man? Do you remember me saying this isn't worth getting people in trouble over? You likely forgot. But guess what. I do have an opinion on the matter, a strong opinion, and this is it.

[TommyT]

I think we’ve lost sight of what’s important here. Somebody just said 85 She-ra isn’t hot.

Insanity is a cruel mistress, but woe be upon the man who doth not schwing a solid stiff schlong for the original princess of power.

[Dejablue]

The animation was too stiff to find anything arousing in that show.

[TommyT]

Well, woe upon you then?

Maybe you’re feeling aroused by Rise? Is that it?

[Dejablue]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Well, woe upon you then?

Maybe you’re feeling aroused by Rise? Is that it?

No, Too many sharp angles.

Also apparently one of the accused animators wasn't even the artist who drew the art. So the original call out post was not even accurate. It seems like this drama was probably started by some kids. I'm about 80% sure it was kids.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

No, Too many sharp angles.

Also apparently one of the accused animators wasn't even the artist who drew the art. So the original call out post was not even accurate. It seems like this drama was probably started by some kids. I'm about 80% sure it was kids.

I’m 80% sure one of the accused is a member here.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

You're retreating to "it's all fiction" and ignoring the context like everyone who can't stand to have problematic things pointed out to them. Nothing about a little girl getting a train run on her in that scene is true to life. The fact that King actually writes so poetically about something that in real life f*cks with people in ways we still don't understand tells, me he's literally one of the worst writers ever and likely also some kind of closet pedophile on some level.

The Beverly character would need therapy after that. She might not GET therapy but she'd need it. Also the way King writes her, its like she's a tired 38 year old sex slave who for the first time gets to decide when the sex happens, not a barely pubescent little girl.

Obviously not everyone who writes about a subject enjoys that in real life but King literally made child sex a magical f*cking ritual.

No pun intended.

There is literally no world, no universe, where writing that will ever make sense or be morally justifiable.


F*ck you. If you can take cartoons super seriously then so can I.

When it comes to incest portrayal in porn. They are adults so it doesn't matter what they do. Also its porn so it doesn't matter because nothing in it is meant to be taken seriously and it's two consenting adults. My issue is with people who argue strongly that there is nothing wrong with incest. If its for a crappy joke I don't care, but in the case of most T-Cest I've come across, it's played seriously and straight, and that's the crap I have a problem with.



Hahaha, where was all of this "its not real" nonsense when you go on your "back in mah day of 1925" tirades about how TMNT is going in the wrong direction. Yeah it's a cartoon. That doesn't seem to stop you from having very strong objections about literally everything in the modern era of this franchise.



Says the man who hates Rise but can't stay the f*ck out of the subforum. You want to blither on about how this show is bad and then defend incest and pedophilic writng. Holy sh*t.

My final opinion on this is: Incest is disgusting and yes I legit look down on people who like it. But I'm not going to try and end anyone's career over it. Which is something I stated earlier. Can you recall that old man? Do you remember me saying this isn't worth getting people in trouble over? You likely forgot. But guess what. I do have an opinion on the matter, a strong opinion, and this is it.

So there's a ton to unpack there and I'm trying to address your points as well as I can while also being perfectly clear, so this will regrettably be in two parts. Here goes:

You sure speak very definitely about things that YOU feel, specifically, as if they apply universally to all people. Lists are fun, I'll do a List.

- I'm not "retreating" from or into anything, I'm merely stating the Fact that we're specifically discussing fictional characters and not Real People. You keep trying to frame what Is and Isn't taboo by how it would relate to real life, when nobody else in this thread is talking about that. And you're taking the conversation very, VERY seriously and also making it very personal and mean-spirited for absolutely no reason. It's incredibly odd.

- For one thing, for better or worse I've known a few girls who had trains run on them in their teens and pre-teens. I'm not privvy to their personal "therapy" situation since then but I can say they're some of the most well-adjusted people I know and they now have well-adjusted kids of their own. Stop assuming people are so fragile. Not everyone who engages in sexual activity at a young age is thusly "broken". Some are, some are not. Everyone is an individual. Without getting too personal, I can assure you, most people who have sex at a young age still turn out Perfectly Fine. Some people blossom early and some people just like sex and don't wanna wait until they get a permission slip for it. Most people are Just Fine. Some aren't, and that's tragic. But it says a lot about you that you seem to think a teen or pre-teen girl can have a train run on her and that it automatically means she's never gonna have a normal life again. Maybe, maybe not. We know this character damn sure didn't, but again, in the Big Picture of that (fictional) story I think that's the least of what she went through. That wasn't even the worst thing to happen to her that week, or even that DAY.

- Yes, the fictional character in the fictional story MAY have required some Fictional Therapy at a later point in life, and in some cases in real-life as well. But nobody in this thread is even talking about Real People, we are and have only been discussing Fictional Characters, with the sole exception of you (*and me in replying).

- Didn't the books and movies of "It" imply that at multiple times in her life, the character later did just that (get therapy)? And also, I think if Beverly was going to need therapy for anything in her life, it would be less about having a consensual sexual encounter with friends her own age in a situation of extreme duress, and MORE that she'd need therapy because her f*cking father was repeatedly molesting her. Also the murder-clown thing. So yeah, she'd need LOTS of therapy for lots of reasons. But let's be honest, of the three, what's bound to be more traumatic:
A. "My Dad molested and/or raped me as a kid, repeatedly."
B. "Me and my friends were terrorized by a demonic clown and some of them died."
C. "Oh, I also had sex with some of my friends once when we were little, it was weird."

If this were Family Feud, ALL of those answers would be on the board for the Category of "Things You Repress And Later Tell Your Therapist", sure. But Option C would most certainly not be the top answer as polled by our studio audience. You'll have to settle for the runner-up prize, the trip to Maui will not be yours.

- I know for a fact that Stephen King is not to everyone's taste but this is the very first time I've ever heard anyone say flat-out that they think he's a pedophile because of one scene he wrote 40-whatever years ago. Was he ever investigated? I don't think so, but I'm guessing you think he should have been? That's silly. If you think a writer should be vilified and thrown in jail because they once wrote something squicky, you're silly. I'm sorry.

- Would you apply the same standards to the late V.C. Andrews, another notoriously popular author whose work also famously leans heavily into themes of incest, rape, pedophilia, etc.? Should she have been strung up in the town square, as well? Because that's interesting if so, considering her work is so popular (especially among women) that she's been "writing" more books since she died than she did when she was alive, simply to keep up with the overwhelming demand.

Was she, like King, a monster in your eyes? Should all of her (mostly female) fans be derided and locked away as perverts and pedophiles? Should everyone who ever read "Flowers in the Attic" be on the sex offender registry? What about the people who showered those books with awards and later turned them into movies, plays, and stage productions? Are they all demonic and deviant?

ORRRRRRRRR, are they all just stories and everyone is fine?

These are serious questions I'd like your personal answers to. I'm genuinely interested in your answers, and I won't tell you they're "wrong", but I think you'll find your opinion might just be that of a vast minority. Just sayin'!

(Cont.)

[Leo656]

((Cont.))

- You know who also wrote stories dealing with themes such as underage sex, incest, rape, sodomy and so on? Shakespeare, and his contemporaries. BOOM. Lock 'em all up, bunch'a deviant perverts. They had "unacceptable" thoughts in their heads and put those thoughts on paper, guess they're a threat to everyone around them. Best lock those words up, lest they reach innocent virgin eyes and ears. "One of the worst writers ever," am I right? Their tales are "Not morally justifiable" because some of the characters have sex when they're underage, or are related, or whatnot.

- Best avoid stuff like "Hamlet", or "Oedipus Rex", or any of that stuff. Or even The Bible, for that matter. Lots of squicky, squicky, "Not morally justifiable stuff" in there that nonetheless has been in print for ages and somehow everyone is still Just Fine. We read Oedipus in high school, nobody needed f*cking therapy or a cold damp towel afterwards. Nobody said sh*t. They're stories.

- "F*ck you" wasn't called for or necessary. This is a conversation. Maybe we've had harsh words in the past or not, I don't remember and it's not relevant to Here and Now. We're having a difference of opinion and its clear we disagree, but I'm doing my best to be respectful all the same, a little good-natured razzing aside. But I will say, you're making that difficult.

No need. Relax.

- Show me where I said "There's nothing wrong with incest". My opinions on that are my own. What I actually said was, "I'm less inclined to care what consenting people do as long as I don't have to look at or acknowledge it." If you read that sentence and get "This guy is a big fan of incest" out of it, then that's a problem with your reading comprehension.

Please take my words as they are, and refrain from either reading between the lines for words that aren't there, OR putting your own words in my "mouth". I don't write these little "novels" so that people can misinterpret my thoughts or intentions, I do it so that I am being perfectly clear.

- Also, please refrain from ageist personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I have no idea how old you are, but people who would know tell me they suppose you're probably not much younger than me. I'm 38. Maybe "ancient" by your perspective, but also old and wise enough to know when someone's taking the low road in a conversation that's not even an argument. You're lashing out at me pretty hard with personal jabs for reasons known only to you, but it's neither called for nor very becoming.

- My opinions as a fan of a cartoon show or franchise are my own and I'm entitled to them, same as anyone else. You may note that I don't harp on the show's quality anywhere near what some do, nor in as mean-spirited a fashion, and in several topics across the entire forum I do my best to urge people to be respectful and read the room, and to not bang on aimlessly about things if it's overly negative. To merely "speak one's piece and move on" if it's in the presence of those who may feel differently. I am not perfect in this but I do my best to be a little better every day.

- You may not know this about me, but I will often argue from a position I don't personally support, simply because no conversation or argument should be one-sided and I believe all points of view on a subject deserve to be heard. It's called "Playing Devil's Advocate", and it used to be a lot more common back before everyone was so insistent that their own point of view was the only correct one.

- On the subject of T-Cest, this is simply one more area in which I'm playing Devil's Advocate. I don't care for (or about) it. It is not for me. But it exists. My position is, "It's not for me, but I won't tell anyone else not to enjoy it." That's all I've said since the conversation started.

- My opinion on "Rise" as a show, again, has nothing to do with this conversation. And again, if you take notes, I do dislike the show but I'm the most quiet about it out of anyone here who holds that opinion. MOST people bang on about it. I don't. If it comes up it comes up. And I'll always defend anyone's right to enjoy or not enjoy whatever they jolly well please. I DO wish there were alternative TMNT content available for fans like me, but again... what does that have to do with THIS conversation? Nothing that I can see.

- More "old man" stuff and personal insults? Someone's dancing on the thin line of getting a Warning if they don't police themselves. C'mon now. Thicken up.

- I've never "defended incest and pedophilic writings". What I DO defend unconditionally, however, is any writer or artist's freedom of individual thought and expression, to create whatever stories or drawings or paintings or statues or whatever else they wish, for any audience they wish, and for other free-thinking individuals to either partake of and/or avoid that content if they so choose.

People write stories or paint pictures about all kinds of "unseemly" things, including but not limited to war, terror, incest, rape, murder, torture, animal cruelty, and so on. All kinds of awful stuff. The thing is, nobody ever to my knowledge forces it down anyone's throats. So consenting adults need only exercise their freedom of choice in deciding what they do and don't want to see. NOT censor everyone else or tell them they're Bad People if they may feel differently about something.

- No, I did not recall you saying those things because everything you say kind of goes against it. You say you don't want anyone to get in trouble or lose a job, but you all but called Stephen King a pedophile. Which means if he's a pedophile then he belongs in prison. You also go so far as to imply that people who look at fictional depictions of fictional characters engaging in fictional incest are warped in some way for doing so. And that may or may not be true, but I don't know who made You nor I the ultimate authority on passing such judgments in the first place. So you really need to dial your shade down a bit.

- It's good that you think Real Incest is bad and have a strong opinion on it. Pretty sure most people here undoubtedly agree with you and nobody has ever said otherwise. But a lot of those same people probably don't care so much about stuff involving people who are... y'know... NOT real. Because that's a totally different conversation entirely.

Which is all I've been trying to say. You're violently and aggressively kink-shaming people either intentionally or otherwise because something that is Obviously Bad In Real Life also sometimes gets depicted in situations involving paper drawings, or put into literature. Which suggest that your line between Fiction and Real Life is blurry. Maybe it isn't, but your words imply that it is. Everyone else here seems pretty clear-cut in their understanding of what The Line is and where it's drawn.

So. Those are MY ultimate thoughts on the subject. To summarize:
- Nobody here supports Real Life Incest (as far as I'm aware)
- Not even if they fap to Fake Incest with Fake Characters
- I don't care about gay Ninja Turtles but others can enjoy it if they choose and God Bless 'Em
- I don't care what anyone faps to as long as they don't ask me to watch.
- I might watch depending on who it is and how nicely they ask
- This entire conversation does not warrant any aggressive outbursts whatsoever. We're talking.

Can't really make it any more clear than that! Please try not to be so snappy at me in the future on topics where we disagree. I'm in a good mood today and perfectly fine with some spirited debate since I have nothing else to do at this moment, but if it gets personal again I might lose my temper and nobody wants that. Thanks in advance!

[Dejablue]

Unless you tell me that you are a verified psychologist who did an evaluation on your "friends" then I can't take your word on their mental stability. It's not like all problems manifest as drug addictions or self harm.


As for the rest of your bait as f*ck post. You're not worth answering. Your essay long post isn't even worth reading. I've already told you everything you need to know. You're fishing for some kind of extremist answer and you're dumb enough to think I'm going to fall for it. You even have the gall to ask if I believe people should be arrested and strung up? Just for that, one more time, F*ck you. I've already given you my answer. And both times you've ignored it or you lack the ability to read due to being so high off your own self importance.

Also I'll kink shame as much as I want. That's the end of that conversation.

Incest isn't to my taste and I won't go out of my way to read it. But this fandom is so full of T-Cest that when I'm searching for art and fanfiction its virtually everywhere. I have my reasons to find it objectionable, you have your reasons to whine for months on end non stop about Rise being bad. Live and let live, and grow up.

[TommyT]

Again, the real issue here, is that She-ra is pretty hot. I mean, she’s no Natasha Henstridge, she’s definitely more Amber Herd, but as cartoons go, she ranks in the top 5 for sure.

[Dejablue]

Natasha Henstridge just looks like someone's mom.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Natasha Henstridge just looks like someone's mom.

Time does that to people. Watch Species, you’ll see her in her prime. When people talk about beautiful women, typically, you’re talking about the best years.

[ZariusTwo]

I just want to know if any of the OT artists were tempted to do anything with Irma's design...

[Leo656]

"Bait as f*ck"? All I did was reply to your various points and accusations in itemized fashion one at a time. I didn't bait you into anything. "Baiting" you into saying something inflammatory or ridiculous apparently wouldn't even be necessary. You came into the thread flaming people over what they may or may not masturbate to, because you personally don't like some of it, and I told you that's silly and why. That's it, that's all.

You project a lot. Like 90% of your function in anything you ever post is projecting, telling other people what they think, what they're "really" saying, and why. Who the f*ck raised you to talk to people that way?

I'm not "fishing" for anything, I'm asking you questions. I'm making a lot of assumptions about your character based on your present behavior, sure, but they're all in my head right now and I just want to know if my mental picture of you as a person is accurate. If I ask a question, it's because I expect an answer, not because I'm playing f*cking games. I didn't have to waste time typing out a response, I did that as a courtesy because I thought - wrongly I guess - that it was an actual conversation and not just you flaming me. BUT, now that I know you're not even going to debate in good faith, well... that's a shame. That all took some time. Hopefully someone with actual reading comprehension will take something valid from all of that, since you choose not to.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Unless you tell me that you are a verified psychologist who did an evaluation on your "friends" then I can't take your word on their mental stability. It's not like all problems manifest as drug addictions or self harm.

I think I know my friends better than you do, champ. Most of them would probably like to have some words with you their own selves if they heard the kinda stuff you're implying about them. I don't think your exaggerated display of fake outrage over the sexual choices they made for themselves in grade school or Junior High would prevent them from giving you a spanking for speaking out of turn. You speak for you, nobody else.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

you're dumb enough to think

YOU'RE dumb enough to think I won't Report you for unsolicited personal attacks if you keep talking to me like this. I promise you, I am far more petty than you realize.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Just for that, one more time, F*ck you.

Would you like a bigger shovel while you dig your own grave down there? Just asking!

Originally Posted by Dejablue

You even have the gall to ask if I believe people should be arrested and strung up? I've already given you my answer. And both times you've ignored it or you lack the ability to read due to being so high on your own self importance.

No, it's because you contradict yourself so much that it makes it confusing to actually understand you at times. And I apologize if I've been confused but you muddy your own points quite a bit.

In looking back, I see that you did say that. Okay, good, but you also called Stephen King a pedophile because of One Thing he wrote. So again, it's confusing to know to what extent you feel these people are "creepy" or how mad we should be about it when you keep moving the line back and forth. And then when I ask you to clarify, you just cuss me out.

Again, not nice, mind your manners. This entire conversation was a Gift, you've not to my knowledge ever caught my attention before now. I could be talking to people right now who AREN'T... well, You.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

your reasons to whine for months on end non stop about Rise being bad.

Except I don't do that, though. You're lying. Don't do that. Liars are among the lowest forms of life.

This does help me understand this entire conversation a little better, though. I must have said something bad about "Rise" once, therefore I'm a bad person and everything I say has no merit. Because we disagree about cartoons. That's what I'm going to keep with me the most from this little chat.

You're interesting.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Live and let live, and grow up.

I've... I... you... I....

I've been saying that to you for the past three or four hours!!! Albeit, a lot more nicely than you're being about it.

Wow. WOW.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Again, the real issue here, is that She-ra is pretty hot. I mean, she’s no Natasha Henstridge, she’s definitely more Amber Herd, but as cartoons go, she ranks in the top 5 for sure.

I have to say, this is the one thing I think I agree with you the most. Sometimes I don't agree with you even a little, but right now? Right Now? Right now you speak with the Wisdom of Solomon, sir.

Also, right now I need a f*cking drink because my faith in humanity is totally shot after this fiasco.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I just want to know if any of the OT artists were tempted to do anything with Irma's design...

Man, I hope so! Totally "Librarian Hot". Man, those kind'a chicks'll treat ya right. One shot'a Peppermint Schnapps and that sweater comes off like it's on fire. Dig it.

See, Zarius knows what's up. He knows what's important. That's why he runs this place and I'm merely a f*cking court jester.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I just want to know if any of the OT artists were tempted to do anything with Irma's design...

Irma? You have a thing for Irma?

[Dejablue]

In looking back, I see that you did say that. Okay, good.

Yep. There you go. You have your answer. Nothing else you have to say matters to me.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Yep. There you go. You have your answer. Nothing else you have to say matters to me.

Why you grinding him so hard? The hell is your beef? You have a run in with a drunk uncle? Calm down son, I promise that’s not him.

You’re shadowboxing the past, an the shadow done rope-a-dope’d your as$.

[Dejablue]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Why you grinding him so hard? The hell is your beef? You have a run in with a drunk uncle? Calm down son, I promise that’s not him.

You’re shadowboxing the past, an the shadow done rope-a-dope’d your as$.

That sounds like a pretty cool poem.

[TommyT]

Goan watch some alien sex and beat off. Species is a good film, it’ll cure your depression or what ever. Have a wank and a cry about what ever, and put down the boxed wine. Shid will make you go blind.

[Dejablue]

I'm not depressed and I actually don't like the taste of alcohol. I've tried it, I can't finish most glasses.