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Not bad at all. | 1 | 2.56% | |
Not that bad. | 5 | 12.82% | |
Somewhat bad. | 4 | 10.26% | |
Just bad. | 6 | 15.38% | |
Pretty bad. | 5 | 12.82% | |
Really bad. | 10 | 25.64% | |
Awful. | 15 | 38.46% | |
The worst | 14 | 35.90% | |
Might work with the alteration you suggested. | 1 | 2.56% | |
Might work a different alteration. | 0 | 0% | |
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10-01-2017, 06:33 AM | #1 |
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"Learning it from a book"
So while becoming martial arts master from a book is kinda dumb it's not as offensive in retrospect, the most offensive aspect isn't so much that Splinter did it but rather that he did because he thought it was a good parenting guide. Sure, a book alone isn't going to make a master but it's at least going to get you started on the basics, that's what an educational book is for.
Alone this explaination for "How does a rat know martial arts?" isn't very satisfying, but I think it could be combined with the original explaination to justify the perceived flaw of "Rats can't learn from seeing someone train!". I think "He saw Hamato Yoshi train, then supplemented that with teachning tools like books", might be the the most satisfying compromise between keeping the original origin and alleviating the questionable logic. That way you don't have introduce reincarnation if you don't like it, nor do have to jump through hoops explaining how the same exact event caused a man to transform into a rat and turtles into humanoids. |
10-01-2017, 07:36 AM | #2 |
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Yeah, the book wasn't as offensive as the lack of Hamato Yoshi/actual reason for hating Shredder was.
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10-01-2017, 09:22 AM | #3 |
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You are NOT going to learn to be a martial arts master from a how to book. It's extremely stupid, but equally as stupid as the rat learning martial arts from watching a martial arts practitioner from his cage.
Either make Yoshi become splinter, have splinter be Yoshi's reincarnation, or have splinter mutate with Yoshi alive, learn martial arts from Yoshi, then shredder kills Yoshi
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10-01-2017, 10:18 AM | #4 |
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A Splinter that starts as a rad should never be able to learn reading alone.
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10-01-2017, 12:26 PM | #6 |
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Had to go with "awful." As much as I'd gladly give it "the worst," there could have been a worse path, like, say, "I learned it in a vision/dream." Book method is just really really lame. (Though cutting Yoshi out is The Worst.)
I mean, at that point he probably can't even read in any language. (Or shouldn't be able to.) Hard to believe you're going to translate legit skills through a few basic diagram images. Never was a big fan of him learning through mimicry either and prefer the Yoshi is Splinter route. But Yoshi knowing Splinter as a mutant would be an intersting take on it. Last edited by IndigoErth; 10-01-2017 at 12:32 PM. |
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10-01-2017, 02:04 PM | #8 |
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That's not bad, man.
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10-01-2017, 02:55 PM | #9 |
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10-01-2017, 03:41 PM | #10 |
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Maybe a second ill fated run-in with the same ones behind his own mutation... the Turtles end up innocent victims (or purposeful victims?) and, seeing these innocent kids who didn't ask for this, he sympathizes with their situation and takes them under his wing. Esp as they have no one else in the world to look after them.
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10-01-2017, 03:56 PM | #11 | |
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Then years later after Yoshi is dead, you can keep the TCRI truck accident origin, or have Splinter break into TCRI and steal mutagen so as to recruit soldiers into his vendetta, just as he was by Yoshi. Definitely makes their connection stronger and makes sense of Splinter's mastery of ninjutsu. |
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10-01-2017, 08:01 PM | #12 |
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It's like Stick and Stone, before they ever knew there'd be a Daredevil. Or 4 Daredevils, in this case.
* disclaimer: I really can't pretend to know much about Daredevil's actual mythology beyond the cliff notes.
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Though, keeping in Mirage fashion, but fixing things up a little, the mutation is still accidental, but they give Yoshi shelter where Saki can't find him, in the TCRI basement. It's just a question of how the turtles get involved. Maybe they're a result of the Utroms trying to figure out what happened to Yoshi, using Leatherhead and the turtles to test it. When they realize the five reptiles become sapient, they give the turtles to Yoshi as companions and keep Leatherhead with them for safety. Maybe there can be a nod to the Mondo Gecko episode of the FW series and have Michelangelo as the only one remembering there was a fifth animal that got mutated.
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10-01-2017, 09:51 PM | #14 |
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Oddly enough I did something along those lines in my Some Other World tale, where Yoshi deliberately mutated himself (and later the turtles) as a means of getting revenge on Saki after Saki forced him out of the Foot because he(Yoshi) was turning it into a gang of thugs and murderers- though it was a Mirror-verse type of story where Splinter and the turtles are actually the villains. Saki gave him a choice of honorable death or life in the shape of the monster he truly was, and Yoshi took the mutagen and ran. Shredder was allies with Krang who was a scientist and inventor in the story. Splinter wanted to use the turtles as his own personal assassins to kill Saki, among other things. Really need to finish that one....
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10-01-2017, 11:18 PM | #15 |
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In film that was already terrible and considered one of the worst iterations to date, the whole “learned martial arts from a book” thing somehow managed to stand out if only for how utterly stupid the idea is.
What bonehead thought it was a good idea? And who was actually stupid enough to go along with it? That’s what I want to know. |
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10-02-2017, 02:41 AM | #17 | |
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Compared to Karai who's ancestry lies in a Ninja Clan with the scrolls and probably still someone that holds the oral traditions and the funds to hire professionals to recreate whatever techniques the Foot had or supplement with other schools techniques to fill in the gaps. And she had the ghost of Shredder to help her, plus iirc Karai's dad Yori was the one who made the Clan into corrupt business men instead of hired pajamas mercenaries, so it's not that far off that some Clan members still knew the "old way" since what, the Foot Clan wasn't ninjas for 20-30 odd years? |
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10-02-2017, 03:28 AM | #18 |
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And most importantly, Karai was a human who could more fully comprehend what she was looking at, and was able to seek out other forms of martial arts for mentorship.
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10-02-2017, 04:57 AM | #19 |
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Yeah it was a bad idea made worse by the fact it was done because they skipped over the entire Yoshi/Saki feud because god forbid character motivations/character development and plot take away screen time from action and explosions.
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While the Foot has a long history, the Oroku-Hamato feud is always relatively young. It would be cool to add an extra layer to that. Also makes sense of Splinter having a Japanese accent, and such reverence for Yoshi as a father figure. Quote:
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