Avengers 5: Doomsday

[Andrew NDB]

[IMJ]

Obviously am curious to see how this unfolds, but.... eh. I dunno.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm thinking more and more by the end of this we end up with Tony Stark -- the real Tony Stark -- back, and Dr. Doom in the real Victor Von Doom body. Whoever will be playing that.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm thinking more and more by the end of this we end up with Tony Stark -- the real Tony Stark -- back, and Dr. Doom in the real Victor Von Doom body. Whoever will be playing that.

Feigie has said numerous times they will never cheapen or on due Tony’s Death from Endgame

In a recent Vanity Fair cover story about Downey Jr., the president of Marvel Studios addressed whether or not they would resurrect Iron Man/Tony Stark after his death in “Avengers: Endgame.”

“We are going to keep that moment and not touch that moment again,” Feige said of Stark’s final moments in the 2019 film. “We all worked very hard for many years to get to that, and we would never want to magically undo it in any way.”

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/r...cu-1235819990/

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Feigie has said numerous times they will never cheapen or on due Tony’s Death from Endgame

Was any of those times before or after Disney hemorrhaged hundreds of millions of dollars from MCU fail after fail after fail?

[IMJ]

There are a variety of ways that bringing Stark back into the fold via the multiverse doesn't cheapen his Endgame death at all. Not sure how anyone thinks those two points can't rationalize together.

But none of that changes the fact that bringing in a banger like Doom and tying him to Stark at all beyond opposition of the two is f'n dumb.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by IMJ

There are a variety of ways that bringing Stark back into the fold via the multiverse doesn't cheapen his Endgame death at all. Not sure how anyone thinks those two points can't rationalize together.

I disagree. While it’s obvious that there’s 9 million Tony Starks alive and well in the multiverse, I think the MCU needs to keep him dead. Or rather, RDJ needs to be off limits. A re-cast Tony would be fine.

But none of that changes the fact that bringing in a banger like Doom and tying him to Stark at all beyond opposition of the two is f'n dumb.

Hard agree. We’re finally getting a semi-faithful FF movie, complete with a bunch of Kirby-isms and a REAL Galactus… but they have to reinvent Doom like this? We want Victor von Doom, the King of Latveria, speaking in the third person and hating Reed. Not Tony in a new suit.

[Andrew NDB]

I think you're missing the point. I can die tomorrow saving a town or something... then 10 years later a voodoo priestess brings me back to life. That doesn't nullify my sacrifice or what I did.

But yeah. They need to stop being weird about recasting people. These characters should be evergreen... no torch passing to DEI people or kids. But you can tell that's at least originally what most excited them... start with the core MCU, make a lot of money and interest, then bait and switch them to who they REALLY want to tell "stories" about.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think you're missing the point. I can die tomorrow saving a town or something... then 10 years later a voodoo priestess brings me back to life. That doesn't nullify my sacrifice or what I did.

In this analogy, no it wouldn’t nullify your bravery or nobility.

But from a narrative standpoint, it certainly cheapens the stakes.

And dead or not, Endgame was mean to be the END for certain characters. Most of all Tony and Steve. Steve isn’t even dead and I don’t think Chris Evans should ever return either. Turn the page. (Although I think a scene with Old Man Steve would have been huge for Brave New World).

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by IMJ

There are a variety of ways that bringing Stark back into the fold via the multiverse doesn't cheapen his Endgame death at all

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I disagree. While it’s obvious that there’s 9 million Tony Starks alive and well in the multiverse, I think the MCU needs to keep him dead. Or rather, RDJ needs to be off limits. A re-cast Tony would be fine.

Originally Posted by IMJ

There are a variety of ways that bringing Stark back into the fold

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I disagree. Or rather, RDJ needs to be off limits. A re-cast Tony would be fine.

Originally Posted by IMJ

There are a variety of ways

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I disagree.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

A re-cast Tony would be fine

-sigh-

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think you're missing the point. I can die tomorrow saving a town or something... then 10 years later a voodoo priestess brings me back to life. That doesn't nullify my sacrifice or what I did.

And on that note, I would, surprisingly enough be okay with a recast. I love Downey as Iron Man.... love it. But the shared continuity has choked itself out a bit and I'm down with a full MCU reset and relaunch to be honest. And I'm not down for "Woke FF" fixing it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

And on that note, I would, surprisingly enough be okay with a recast. I love Downey as Iron Man.... love it. But the shared continuity has choked itself out a bit

Of course. And years ago I was saying how they could've had it both ways... in the battle with Thanos, just have Tony get hit with the Time Gem or something... POOF... new actor.

And it's a weird dichotomy at Disney MCU. We are both supposed to be growing old beside these characters and actors (because they are forcing that)... yet, don't look over here when we recast this person or that person. But certainly not THAT person (Ed Norton). It seems like a really root core thing that has been here from the beginning, and it has to be Feige himself.

I've always said, just treat this like comics. We are always in a forever moving forward "present day." Never state a year on screen. When actors age out, replace. Otherwise the MCU will either be, A) This thing where the actual characters people care about waste away and disappear and are perennially replaced by ones that nobody wants or cares about. B) We just reboot everything every 20 years or whatever. I say C) James Bond it. Like, the old James Bond. Sure the times change, but it's the same character(s) living the same lives with the same experiences. Yeah, some of the time-specific stuff won't make sense 10 years from then, but roll with it.