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The Triceraton Republic 8 80.00%
The Triceraton Empire 2 20.00%
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:12 PM   #1
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Triceraton Republic... or Triceraton Empire? (Mirage)

Which is it? Because it's identified as either one at different times. Could it be reconciled that they are both valid?

I swear I made a thread about this eons ago. I did my due diligence and could not locate it, however.
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Old 03-30-2019, 03:46 AM   #2
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I'm pretty sure it's a republic. I'll have to check but since Laird and Murphy were involved with the 4Kids show, it's probably the republic.

Edit: I just checked, it's a republic. In issue 5 of volume 1, when The Fugitoid is brought on board a Triceraton ship, the prime leader calls it a republic. "Behold the glory of the republic". I'll root some more but I don't think I'll see the word empire used to describe it.
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Old 03-30-2019, 03:59 AM   #3
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Can it have been both? They where one and became the other over time.
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OK, I've done about as extensive research as I could with IDW's reprints, it's only ever called a republic. Unless it's called an empire in the latter two thirds of Tales V2 or in Volume 4, it's never been called one. It's officially the republic as far as I'm concerned.

It seems like calling it an empire was just the Nick cartoon making arbitrary changes. I suspected that they also gave Zanramon a different name in that cartoon because 4Kids might have made up the name Zanramon, turns out he's named Zanramon in Mirage too.
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:23 PM   #5
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It seems like calling it an empire was just the Nick cartoon making arbitrary changes.
It was the Fred Wolf cartoon that first started that trend.
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Can it have been both? They where one and became the other over time.
Not in Mirage at least, maybe where it's actually called an empire but not in Mirage.

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It was the Fred Wolf cartoon that first started that trend.
OK. They're only in one episode and the dumber changes distracted me, didn't really remember that when "They don't attack reptile ruled planets" is a more blatant change.
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Which is it? Because it's identified as either one at different times. Could it be reconciled that they are both valid?

I swear I made a thread about this eons ago. I did my due diligence and could not locate it, however.
Rome was essentially an empire after defeating Carthage for the third and final time in 146 B.C.E. Yet it had a Senstorial setup opposed to a dictatorship or emperor. Aside from the head of government it was an empire before 30 B.C.E. Zandramon seemed to have seize power and established a royal dictatorship. The catch is as an alien race, most of the time planets have a unified government not defined as an empire depending on the land grabs it holds.I am of the opinion it was like the 116 year period it called itself a Republic, but was an empire in all purposes. Before and after Zandramon it was likely a Republic.
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Since this is Mirage we're talking about, its definetly a Republic.

Only the Fred Wolf and Nickelodeon Cartoon call it an Empire from what I remember.
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Anybody think it's an actual republic, it just has a two party system in which the parties barely differ?
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Anybody think it's an actual republic, it just has a two party system in which the parties barely differ?
I look forward to the next Presidential Debate between and the Triceraton Republicians and Democrats.
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What they could do without being held back is my question.
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I look forward to the next Presidential Debate between and the Triceraton Republicians and Democrats.
And the only thing they disagree on is wheter federation POWs should be waterboarded or given electric shocks when tortured.
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It was the Fred Wolf cartoon that first started that trend.
It was called an Empire in the Gizmo and the Fugitoid crossover which came out in 1989.
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It was called an Empire in the Gizmo and the Fugitoid crossover which came out in 1989.
Any other times Mirage used the term empire?
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Yes. It is called "Empire" often in volume 2, Mirage.
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Yes. It is called "Empire" often in volume 2, Mirage.
Maybe that's an informal term for all their territories, including conquered planets. Compare it to when Shredder runs an empire of crime, which doesn't mean he is the head of state in a recognized monarchy with the emperor title.

The British Empire was never an empire, even if the United Kingdom was always a monarchy. You also had the French and Portuguese (colonial) empires, even after they became republics.
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