Should we get "white Baxter Stockman" back as compensation for black April?

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2023, 11:46 AM

It's time for the return of white Baxter:

In all seriousness I always liked Baxter's human design in the original cartoon. Just feels kinda unique to me now that Baxter is always black.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-10-2023, 11:57 AM

*IndigoErth* · 03-10-2023, 12:09 PM

Compensation?

Fair to dislike what some version does with a character...but no one needs compensating for the choices of a cartoon.

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Compensation?

Fair to dislike what some version does with a character...but no one needs compensating for the choices of a cartoon.

It's proper representation. You take away one of the core white characters of the franchise (April, the Turtles main human friend), then there should be no problem using white Baxter Stockman again someday.

I mean in the Nick 2012 cartoon Rocksteady was a Russian general. They already changed Rocksteady's race from just a normal white guy from New York to a Russian.

Monty Mole · 03-10-2023, 12:26 PM

Please stop being racist

*IndigoErth* · 03-10-2023, 12:30 PM

And having one token female character much of the time has never been proper representation of the world either, but never wanted existing characters changed to compensate that, so not really moved by your argument, sorry.

edit: For the record, I don't care if someone uses that Baxter again. But the idea of having to be paid back because they made April black is kinda cruddy.

*neatoman* · 03-10-2023, 12:36 PM

You already got white Baxter "back" in the Power Rangers crossovers
I doubt a character played by the actor who portrayed Gus Fring is intended to be white, even if it's a cartoon.
We won't see another white version of Stockman in a Hollywood production because... You know... twitter...
I woulnd't really want to a white Baxter anyway, for the same basic reason I don't want to see another human-fly hybrid Baxter ever again.

TurtleManiac · 03-10-2023, 12:42 PM

Probably not gonna happen. I think the only reason they made him white in the ‘87 cartoon is that Shredder and Baxter had a master/slave relationship and it would look racist if he was black.

Also don’t forget the Playmates Mutatin’ Bebop toy was a white guy with orange hair. Not sure why they did that.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 03-10-2023, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

think the only reason they made him white in the ‘87 cartoon is that Shredder and Baxter had a master/slave relationship and it would look racist if he was black.

I think they wanted to make him a parody on Albert Einstein, the stereotypical image of a scientist. His Mirage counterpart hadn't appeared in many issues back in 1987, so it was not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I mean in the Nick 2012 cartoon Rocksteady was a Russian general. They already changed Rocksteady's race from just a normal white guy from New York to a Russian.

Nickelodeon Rocksteady is still as white as his Fred Wolf counterpart. I just think Nickelodeon gave him a more (at least acording to me) interesting backstory.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-10-2023, 01:01 PM

Cubed, man, you gotta let this go.

Toxin45 · 03-10-2023, 01:06 PM

Please bro no tell me this is a bait

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2023, 01:40 PM

I genuinely wouldn't mind a white Baxter Stockman again. I really liked how he looked like a blonde and more wimpy version of Doc Brown from Back to the Future.

*Zulithe* · 03-10-2023, 01:55 PM

I really don't care what race he is. April is a main cast member so it tends to be more noteworthy, I don't find it very comparable.

*sdp* · 03-10-2023, 04:15 PM

The only way I'd bring back a white Baxter design would be to have Barney Stockman brought back as his half brother. But I'd just prefer to have Dr Quease instead.

Headcanon: 87 Baxter is actually black, he just suffers from vitiligo.

*IndigoErth* · 03-10-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Headcanon: 87 Baxter is actually black, he just suffers from vitiligo.

Well THERE'S a perfectly reasonable pro-inclusion loophole that would make it tough for literally anyone to complain about.

HotJuicyBurgers · 03-10-2023, 04:46 PM

Man I missed this forum. Glad to be back regularly.

This is a shitpost if ever I saw one. And no, don’t give us “back” white Baxter.

~~AquaParade~~ · 03-10-2023, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HotJuicyBurgers

Man I missed this forum. Glad to be back regularly.

This is a shitpost if ever I saw one. And no, don’t give us “back” white Baxter.

Damn, a hot juicy burger sounds real good.

Give me black Mirage Baxter who turns into a robot, like in volume 2. That was strange.

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2023, 05:11 PM

I don't get it, if white people can become black people, why can't black people become white people? Michael Jackson did it, after all.

**Jester** · 03-10-2023, 05:54 PM

Cubed, Cubed, Cubed... Bebop is white in this movie. It's okay.
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03-10-2023, 11:46 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,056	Should we get "white Baxter Stockman" back as compensation for black April? It's time for the return of white Baxter: In all seriousness I always liked Baxter's human design in the original cartoon. Just feels kinda unique to me now that Baxter is always black.

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IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,242	And having one token female character much of the time has never been proper representation of the world either, but never wanted existing characters changed to compensate that, so not really moved by your argument, sorry. edit: For the record, I don't care if someone uses that Baxter again. But the idea of having to be paid back because they made April black is kinda cruddy. Last edited by IndigoErth; 03-10-2023 at 12:43 PM.

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TurtleManiac Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: KALI Posts: 987	Probably not gonna happen. I think the only reason they made him white in the ‘87 cartoon is that Shredder and Baxter had a master/slave relationship and it would look racist if he was black. Also don’t forget the Playmates Mutatin’ Bebop toy was a white guy with orange hair. Not sure why they did that. __________________ “Ninja Turtles are rare and priceless!” - Monroe Q. Flem http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478755@N08/

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03-10-2023, 12:09 PM	#3
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,242	Compensation? Fair to dislike what some version does with a character...but no one needs compensating for the choices of a cartoon.

03-10-2023, 12:26 PM	#5
Monty Mole Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 378	Please stop being racist

03-10-2023, 01:06 PM	#11
Toxin45 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dearborn Heights, Michigan Posts: 295	Please bro no tell me this is a bait

03-10-2023, 01:40 PM	#12
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,056	I genuinely wouldn't mind a white Baxter Stockman again. I really liked how he looked like a blonde and more wimpy version of Doc Brown from Back to the Future.

03-10-2023, 01:55 PM	#13
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 6,006	I really don't care what race he is. April is a main cast member so it tends to be more noteworthy, I don't find it very comparable.

03-10-2023, 04:15 PM	#14
sdp Megan Fox = April Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 9,999	The only way I'd bring back a white Baxter design would be to have Barney Stockman brought back as his half brother. But I'd just prefer to have Dr Quease instead. Headcanon: 87 Baxter is actually black, he just suffers from vitiligo. __________________ *Bye* *TMNT !!! I'm unaliving tonight* Click to join The Drome Discord server

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HotJuicyBurgers Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,022	Man I missed this forum. Glad to be back regularly. This is a shitpost if ever I saw one. And no, don’t give us “back” white Baxter. __________________ A small blog that a friend of mine and I started reviewing some games of all genre's. Stop by if you have a second. http://bootd.wordpress.com/

03-10-2023, 05:11 PM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,056	I don't get it, if white people can become black people, why can't black people become white people? Michael Jackson did it, after all.

03-10-2023, 05:54 PM	#19
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,216	Cubed, Cubed, Cubed... Bebop is white in this movie. It's okay. [/sarcasm] __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656