Jurassic World 4

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Didn't they just use frogs as incubators? i.e., no DNA passing between frog and embryo?

No, they used frog DNA. They explicitly stated that the DNA was incomplete and needed to be patched, thus they used frog DNA. In fact, the frog DNA is an important plot point in the first movie, as it is was allowed the dinosaurs metamorphose into males to get around the scientists' making them all female to avoid reproduction.

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And the book (as well as World 1) does double down on the idea that the "dinosaurs" really are just superficial imitations of dinosaurs created using more DNA from various different modern creatures.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh yeah, I remember now.

[Andrew NDB]

I saw it today, at the wife's behest. It actually isn't that bad. It manages to make the dinos scary again, at least. And I appreciated the fairly straight forward story (albeit predictable... I was able to accurately predict who would die right off the bat) without all of the weird clone melodrama of the last couple and cardboard, token DEI characters cluttering up things (like the black female Han Solo in the last one).

Scarlet and Mahersala's characters were likeable enough. The doctor guy was pretty annoying. The lazy kid had a decent enough arc and sort of won me over, though they forget about him in the third act and gave him nothing else to do. The cute little itty bitty dinosaur I thought was going to have some payoff at some point... like maybe Momma and/or Daddy dinosaur show up and save the heroes from an attacking dinosaur or something. But no. There was nothing. Apparently they just really wanted the main characters to have a cute little itty bitty dinosaur traveling with them so that was that. Must be a "trilogy thing."

I did note something pretty weird. It's in the rather long scene early on where Scarlet and Mahersala's characters are just sitting at a table on the boat reciting a lot of "humanizing" dialogue to explain their history and character traits. Mahersala has a story about how he lost his child somehow and then broke up with his wife because they couldn't bare to look at each other because the other spouse just reminded them of the child they lost. Then in turn, Scarlet has a story that is obviously her talking about an ex-boyfriend who died at her side... but then the movie cuts to the back of her head and there is some very, VERY obvious ADR inserted where she says, "Yeah. It really sucked having to tell his wife what happened" (and it doesn't even sound like the rest of her audio there at all). Like, they didn't want to give her an ex-boyfriend for some reason in the editing room. Why? To leave her sexuality ambiguous, is that it? So they can leave "maybe we make her a lesbian" in a future movie on the table or something? Very stupid.

Also, the D-Rex looks hauntingly similar to the Hell Knight from the Doom 2016 game.

https://images.app.goo.gl/UqPNp9VaLd68CGNy7

[ranger_scout]

I saw the film on Wednesday and Saturday, and I was on the edge of my seat both times. It turns out that there are more stories to tell with this new cast of characters.

[IMJ]

I haven't watched this yet, but I did watch Jurassic World Dominion for the first time.

To be honest I think the hate that one gets is way misplaced and I loved seeing the original cast again. Some of the criticisms are clearly sound (i.e., not enough dinosaurs, and the locust plot, etc) but sound or not none of that bothered me.

It was cool seeing everyone come together. I always loved Dr. Grant.

[Darth Knuckles]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Then in turn, Scarlet has a story that is obviously her talking about an ex-boyfriend who died at her side... but then the movie cuts to the back of her head and there is some very, VERY obvious ADR inserted where she says, "Yeah. It really sucked having to tell his wife what happened" (and it doesn't even sound like the rest of her audio there at all). Like, they didn't want to give her an ex-boyfriend for some reason in the editing room. Why? To leave her sexuality ambiguous, is that it? So they can leave "maybe we make her a lesbian" in a future movie on the table or something? Very stupid.

I actually just thought that Scarlett's character was talking about her partner out in the field, another mercenary, that she lost out on a mission. That's how I heard that scene personally. I think that makes sense of the having to tell his wife comment too.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Darth Knuckles

I actually just thought that Scarlett's character was talking about her partner out in the field, another mercenary, that she lost out on a mission. That's how I heard that scene personally. I think that makes sense of the having to tell his wife comment too.

Oh no. It was definitely a conversation about an ex until that ADR line made it not be. Plus if it was just an ex business partner that wouldn't be remotely equivalent to what Mahersala was talking about.

[sdp]

I'm just happy they retconned the dinosaurs everywhere, Jurassic Park
works better with a smaller setting, like we still have dinos in the mainland but on a smaller scale, they can have a kick ass movie set in a small town being attacked by Raptors for example, something similar happened in the first novel. This isn't Cadillacs & Dinosaurs to have dinosaurs everywhere on earth.

As much as i liked the cast I don't want them to return, they have no reason to, Scarlett's character will just devolve to action hero like Chris Pratt's did and makes it even easier to know who will survive. A whole new cast each movie is fine. The original cast got a nice send off in Dominion as did the JW cast.

Seems like the movie will do good at the B.O. so I hope Jurassic Park 8 avoids being absolutely terrible like 7 somehow did.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I haven't watched this yet, but I did watch Jurassic World Dominion for the first time.

To be honest I think the hate that one gets is way misplaced and I loved seeing the original cast again. Some of the criticisms are clearly sound (i.e., not enough dinosaurs, and the locust plot, etc) but sound or not none of that bothered me.

It was cool seeing everyone come together. I always loved Dr. Grant.

It does get too much hate, the locust plot is barely important, it's just there to give an excuse as to why the old cast is even returning. What bothered me was the Dr. Wu redemption arc, he needed to die like in the novel. I also hated the retcon of the little girl Maisie. It was far more interesting and ****ed up if Ben Lockwood had used the technology to clone his daughter like they heavily implied in the previous movie. Trevorrow also understood that dinosaurs everywhere you can only make a movie that isn't Jurassic Park, so he also artificially made the playroom smaller by having it all be at BioSyn's facilities.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

As much as i liked the cast I don't want them to return

It might be fun to see Scarlet reunite with Star Lord in the next one. But what would the next one even be about?

* The itty bitty cutesy dinosaur has to figure into things, somehow. They made it a point to have the characters take it home with them after it didn't contribute anything to the plot at all. And if it doesn't figure into a sequel's plot... wtf?

* Scarlet and that Doctor guy are going to "give it to the world" regarding the dinosaur DNA cure for heart conditions. But maybe they do this and there's weird complications for the people who receive these genetic treatments?

No idea beyond those two items.

[sdp]

The cute dinosaur was mostly there since they wanted to have a "Baby Yoda" marketable dinosaur. They actually already had one on the Jurassic World netflix cartoon called Bumpy and was very popular with merchandise, so here they tried to replilcate it but for a wider audience. I don't think there's much more to her, though if merch sells I'm sure she'll be in future movies.

I'd prefer a reboot based on the book but that's not likely since it's less marketable and would need to be rated R which they are not going to do. I'm ok with a prequel to JP1 or wouldn't mind if they made a movie only exploring hybrids, something like the 90s jurassic park toyline Chaos Effect that had hybrid dinosaurs with weird 90s extreme colors and a t-rex with triceratops horns etc. I mean the JW trilogy kept it mostly still "dinosaur looking" with the indominus rex and indoraptor, but now that we have Rancor Rex might as well go all out like the Kenner toyline.

Although most likely they'll go a more predictable route of "the open source DNA is being used in bad ways by some people, send agent Zora Benett and her team to take care of it". I mean there's going to be a sequel since it makes money but they're for sure noticing that each Jurassic World movie has done less at the Box Office than the original.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

I'm ok with a prequel to JP1

There might be something to that. Plus they can bring back the "Jurassic Park" title, with or without a subtitle. "Jurassic Park: Genesis" or something.

There's definitely enough stuff going on at the Park and with the scientists prior to the first movie to cobble together something. It'd just be a little bit difficult to find a story that has scale, still manages to put people in terrible danger that "is never mentioned again" in the original JP movie or anything.

[neatoman]

I think the idea of doing a prequel set before the original movie seems kinda like a bad idea, wasn't the point of the first movie that they thought they had things under control despite the mauling at the start? If they had another disaster before that, how does that even make sense? Unless you want the prequel to be a bunch of scientist sitting around doing DNA analysis, I can't really imagine there being much. Maybe you could ring some sort of ethics drama out of it but that sounds like a pretty weird direction to go.

[sdp]

The 90s Topps comics made like 3 separate prequel comics and they were basically the best stories they had to offer. Two of them were park related, I think they had no deaths, but it still had something believable that didn't affect the original film. The other story was inspired by the book where some dinosaurs were in a central American village and they were eating the residents there. I think they never realize it was dinosaurs.

Also it's not like they mind contradictions, look at Rebirth, that's an incident that happened before Jurassic World 1, which is already a retcon since it's explicitly told that they have no incidents since they have complete control unlike the original Park was, and yet the Mutant Rex clearly ate a scientist before the Indominus Rex escaped and after they had already opened operations.