Did you like Krang's retcon?

Yabuturtle · 11-28-2016, 04:52 PM

While Transdimensional turtles was good, the way they retconned Krang's origin could have been better. It was pretty much heavily implied he had a physical body. Here are a couple things of why I think it is inconsistent.

Krang never mentions his race or his race's name

Krang doesn't even look like the other Kraang. He has less tentacles, lavender eyes and is bigger and has a shade of pink instead.

We know he was banished to 2d earth but it still does not add up. We know there's a 2d earth and 3d earth. It makes sense there would be 2d and 3 d dimension x. Some will say there is only one dimension x but that could not be. Not only does 2d dimension x look different with different colors, such as 2d dimension x having a red background color in space, but there are also different versions of certain characters. 3d dimension x has it's own Tragg and Granitor just like 2d dimension x has it's own version of tragg and granitor, proving these dimensions are different. Not to mention krang has said he was a warlord in dimension x and several characters backed that up and that he wasn't banished for being an idiot.

*Candy Kappa* · 11-28-2016, 04:57 PM

It's not an actual retcon, the 2D-verse isn't the same universe as FW it's still within the Nick show's version of multible dimensions.

*ProactiveMan* · 11-28-2016, 05:40 PM

Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash. Maybe the OT cell animated Krang is still unrelated to the Kraang.

Also, I think it was mostly a joke.

*oldmanwinters* · 11-28-2016, 06:00 PM

It was a good effort to be clever on the part of the Nick writers, but that's about it...

*Andrew NDB* · 11-28-2016, 07:21 PM

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Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash..

That's just fanon. I'm 100% sure TPTB fully intended that to be the actual Fred Wolf universe. If they had money for traditional cel painters and animators and all of that, they would've.

*sdp* · 11-28-2016, 08:08 PM

The whole "it's an alternate universe similar but not the FW Turtles" is neat but also like trying too hard. They're obviously meant to be the FW turtles even if there's inconsistencies.

As far as the inconsistencies we had a thread about it when the episode aired here on this forum, I'll edit my post if I find it. As how do I feel about it? I'm not too crazy about it but I like the universes being more connected as well so a little of both. Now I don't believe the FW Krang has an actual body, it's only ever implied but never stated outright and I prefer it that way.

*ToTheNines* · 11-28-2016, 08:16 PM

It was pretty lazy. But they tried.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-28-2016, 08:53 PM

I actually really like Krang's retcon, and I think its perfectly reconcilable with the FW show.

The extra backstory gives us more insight into his history in Dimension X, an utrom who tried to overthrow his own race and establish a new empire, but was overpowered and banished by Subprime.

It was never explicitly stated who banished him in the OT, and I don't think the Neutrinos would've stood a chance against Krang's rock soldier army. On the contrary, the Kraang hive mind is extremely large and powerful (defeating even the Triceratons), so they would have no problem defeating a rebel amongst them, and would naturally strip Krang of his body (probably acquired via mutation) to humiliate him and banish him to 2D earth, where the Kraang wanted no involvement, instead preferring 3D earth to execute their plans.

*ProactiveMan* · 11-29-2016, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's just fanon.

It was more of a subtle criticism.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If they had money for traditional cel painters and animators and all of that, they would've.

I bet they wouldn't.

*ssjup81* · 11-29-2016, 05:24 AM

I personally didn't care for it. OT Krang was known as an evil warlord type with his own army of rock soldiers awaiting his orders and stuff. You wouldn't get that impression from watching the Transdimensional Turtles ep.

~~ABrown~~ · 11-29-2016, 08:49 AM

No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

*ToTheNines* · 11-29-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

Right. At face value it's cute, but watch one episode of FW and you'll see that it's irreconcilable bunk.

As per my headcanon, Krang just met the Kraang through interdimensional travel and has dealt with them in the past. But he's not an Utrom and there is still at least 4 different Dimension X's.

*Wesley* · 11-29-2016, 12:58 PM

I didn't like Krang's retcon. It didn't make sense to me, as I always thought he had a physical body as shown in the OT episode Invasion of the Krangazoids and Krang never referred to himself as an Utrom before.

*neatoman* · 11-29-2016, 01:04 PM

I guess the retcon doesn't really make any sense given what we knew about Krang, but then again, we are talking about a retcon to a show with two unrelated and contradictory depictions of Atlantis. I'll just pretend it's a subtle jab at the writing of the Fred Wolf cartoon and leave it at that.

*Wesley* · 11-29-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

I guess the retcon doesn't really make any sense given what we knew about Krang, but then again, we are talking about a retcon to a show with two unrelated and contradictor. I'll just pretend it's a subtle jab at the writing of the Fred Wolf cartoon and leave it at that.

That makes sense to me. I wasn't really bothered about the retcon anyway.

*Powder* · 11-29-2016, 03:08 PM

I liked it. I think it's silly to read too much into the OT's chronology, canon, etc. because so much of it is loose and/or contradictory. You can just kinda pick what you like, background-wise.

Dust · 11-29-2016, 03:41 PM

Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-29-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dust

Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.

I do like the one Dimension X theory.

In my head, I like to imagine Dimension X is both the dimension of the Archie comics as well as containing a galaxy (X-shaped, as we see in Adventures) that contains what we traditionally think of as Dimension X. In that, there is the Fred Wolf Krang, the Kraang, and whatever that is in the latest "film."

*ToTheNines* · 11-29-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I do like the one Dimension X theory.

In my head, I like to imagine Dimension X is both the dimension of the Archie comics as well as containing a galaxy (X-shaped, as we see in Adventures) that contains what we traditionally think of as Dimension X. In that, there is the Fred Wolf Krang, the Kraang, and whatever that is in the latest "film."

Even IDW? That means yet another Krang, a second planet Neutrino, etc.

*CyberCubed* · 11-29-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

I'm not sure I understand this correctly, the OT universe is entirely separate from Nick's. Only Krang is said to originate from their universe.

11-28-2016, 04:52 PM	#1
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 598	Did you like Krang's retcon? While Transdimensional turtles was good, the way they retconned Krang's origin could have been better. It was pretty much heavily implied he had a physical body. Here are a couple things of why I think it is inconsistent. Krang never mentions his race or his race's name Krang doesn't even look like the other Kraang. He has less tentacles, lavender eyes and is bigger and has a shade of pink instead. We know he was banished to 2d earth but it still does not add up. We know there's a 2d earth and 3d earth. It makes sense there would be 2d and 3 d dimension x. Some will say there is only one dimension x but that could not be. Not only does 2d dimension x look different with different colors, such as 2d dimension x having a red background color in space, but there are also different versions of certain characters. 3d dimension x has it's own Tragg and Granitor just like 2d dimension x has it's own version of tragg and granitor, proving these dimensions are different. Not to mention krang has said he was a warlord in dimension x and several characters backed that up and that he wasn't banished for being an idiot.

11-28-2016, 04:57 PM	#2
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	It's not an actual retcon, the 2D-verse isn't the same universe as FW it's still within the Nick show's version of multible dimensions. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

11-28-2016, 05:40 PM	#3
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash. Maybe the OT cell animated Krang is still unrelated to the Kraang. Also, I think it was mostly a joke. __________________ ProactiveMan!

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oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 14,939	It was a good effort to be clever on the part of the Nick writers, but that's about it... __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

11-28-2016, 08:08 PM	#6
sdp Megan Fox = April Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 9,999	The whole "it's an alternate universe similar but not the FW Turtles" is neat but also like trying too hard. They're obviously meant to be the FW turtles even if there's inconsistencies. As far as the inconsistencies we had a thread about it when the episode aired here on this forum, I'll edit my post if I find it. As how do I feel about it? I'm not too crazy about it but I like the universes being more connected as well so a little of both. Now I don't believe the FW Krang has an actual body, it's only ever implied but never stated outright and I prefer it that way. __________________ *Bye* *TMNT !!! I'm unaliving tonight* Click to join The Drome Discord server

11-28-2016, 08:16 PM	#7
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	It was pretty lazy. But they tried.

11-28-2016, 08:53 PM	#8
FredWolfLeonardo Big Blue Boy Scout Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Bark Town Posts: 4,475	I actually really like Krang's retcon, and I think its perfectly reconcilable with the FW show. The extra backstory gives us more insight into his history in Dimension X, an utrom who tried to overthrow his own race and establish a new empire, but was overpowered and banished by Subprime. It was never explicitly stated who banished him in the OT, and I don't think the Neutrinos would've stood a chance against Krang's rock soldier army. On the contrary, the Kraang hive mind is extremely large and powerful (defeating even the Triceratons), so they would have no problem defeating a rebel amongst them, and would naturally strip Krang of his body (probably acquired via mutation) to humiliate him and banish him to 2D earth, where the Kraang wanted no involvement, instead preferring 3D earth to execute their plans.

11-29-2016, 05:24 AM	#10
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,697	I personally didn't care for it. OT Krang was known as an evil warlord type with his own army of rock soldiers awaiting his orders and stuff. You wouldn't get that impression from watching the Transdimensional Turtles ep.

11-29-2016, 08:49 AM	#11
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

11-29-2016, 12:58 PM	#13
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,589	I didn't like Krang's retcon. It didn't make sense to me, as I always thought he had a physical body as shown in the OT episode Invasion of the Krangazoids and Krang never referred to himself as an Utrom before. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

11-29-2016, 03:08 PM	#16
Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,809	I liked it. I think it's silly to read too much into the OT's chronology, canon, etc. because so much of it is loose and/or contradictory. You can just kinda pick what you like, background-wise. __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

11-29-2016, 03:41 PM	#17
Dust Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Rainy England Posts: 146	Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.