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 Seriously though...that only says good things about Lawson.
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06-11-2010, 01:37 AM
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You know some fan is going to make a fan comic out of these scripts when he releases them anyways. All the power too them, I actually hope someone does that.
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06-11-2010, 05:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure Peter puts the dialogue in there too. Certain of it in fact.
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06-11-2010, 10:56 AM
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Well, I was and am a fan of vol 4, and if I had gotten this news a year ago, i'd be dissapointed. However, from reading between the lines on Laird's blog, I guess I must've been 90% expecting this. I would prefer the actual comic in hand, but I guess I can live with just reading it online. Better than nothing!
Whilst it would be awesome to see other folk take over the reigns and work on vol 4, where would the paychecks be coming from to finish them, without Laird's funding? Us, the fans? How many grumbles were there with the whole spending $10 on a comic when that idea came out? I couldn't see it happen, i'm afraid.
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06-11-2010, 02:05 PM
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If it ensured release I'd help fund a book, I bet a few other fans would too.
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06-11-2010, 02:34 PM
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06-11-2010, 03:13 PM
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06-11-2010, 04:08 PM
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Not sure how to feel about this.
On the one hand, I like Volume 4 enough to have waited for completed issues to come out, however long that needed to take. On the other, at least we're getting wind of its conclusion, even if it is in non-print, non-comic form. C'est la vie. Ultimately, I still feel that the best choice would have been to pass concepts along to another writer/artist and have it be finished that way. And the fact that no story arc has been properly concluded since "City at War" is kind of inexcusable. Quote:
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06-11-2010, 08:54 PM
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I think its disgusting the fans have to make an effort to get an ending because the guys in charge won't give us one.
LMAO, Volume 4 better get in line behind the Image Conclusion and Archie's Forever War. How sick. Three conclusions now the fans have to do. Its almost as if we now know the routine. Wait 10 years for an ending but the fans have to do it themselves. |
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06-11-2010, 09:09 PM
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One could call it sick, or one could say we're the most hardcore fans of a property. At least we try to keep it alive & aid the other fans. F*ck those in control who won't please the one portion of the fan base they haven't alienated.
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06-13-2010, 01:14 PM
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So Laird posted today on his blog about why cant Lawson or some other Mirage guy finish it up. He basically said it is his ''baby'' and that he would rather see it unfinshed. But then also said if Viacom ever wanted to finish it up, they have every right to do so. Wow.
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06-13-2010, 06:55 PM
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Today, June 13, 2010, 11 hours ago | noreply@blogger.com (PL) "Dan said... If you already have the plots written out why not just have Jim and Eric do the comic?" "Dan" posted this comment to my "Falling Away" blog entry a few days ago, and I thought it reflected a significant enough misunderstanding of what I was trying to do with TMNT Volume 4 that it might be worth expounding upon in a separate blog post instead of just responding in the "Comments" section. When I started TMNT Volume 4 back in 2001, I didn't have a complete, coherent vision of where I wanted the book to go in terms of plot and action and characters -- that was something I felt would evolve from the story ideas I did have, and that's how (at least as I see it) the series came out. But I did have a specific way of working in mind, and it differed from the way Jim Lawson and I did the three "Planet Racers" graphic novels together, in several ways. Perhaps the most significant way was that while on "Planet Racers", after discussing the plot with me, Jim would produce layouts with rough dialogue notes which I would later expand, tweak and polish when I did the final lettering, with TMNT I would do all of the dialogue, with no input from Jim. This is not to say that Jim's artwork did not affect my dialogue -- to the contrary, I often found that some interesting and unexpected detail Jim had added to a panel, or the way he laid out a scene, or an expression he gave to a character's face would lead me to think of some line or two or three of dialogue I very likely would NOT have thought of otherwise. But story-wise and dialogue-wise, TMNT Volume 4 was always intended to be my baby. I viewed it as a long-term experiment in telling the kind of extended Turtle story that I wanted to tell, with no input from anyone else (save for the artwork). And I was able to hone and tweak it to my heart's content, especially in the dialogue, captions and such, the placement of balloons, the fonts used, and so forth, but also in the tones used on the art. And I also from time to time would shift panels around, occasionally deleting one or two, sometimes flipping them horizontally or cropping them if, as I was writing the dialogue, the layout of the word balloons as it affected the flow of what was being said didn't work as needed. It was a very personal project, and I wanted it to be exactly the way I wanted and needed it to be. Some may call this "selfish" -- in fact, I have actually seen it referred to as just that in some forums -- but I believe that kind of comment betrays a woeful lack of comprehension of the creative process… or, at the very least, of MY creative process. Now, this is not to say that Jim and Eric couldn't take my plots and together do the four or five or six or more issues which would wrap up Volume 4. They are both very smart, creative guys, and I have no doubt that they could tell a good story in art and words. But it wouldn't be they way I would have done it, and Volume 4 has been such a personal project that -- to me -- it just does not seem worth it. I'd rather see it unfinished. It's possible (though how likely, I can't say) that someone at Viacom, the new owners of the TMNT property, might take a look at Volume 4 at some point and say "This is a pretty neat; let's put some people on it to keep it going or to finish it up." That would be entirely their right to do so, and it might prove very interesting. But speaking solely for myself, it just wouldn't be the way I intended it to go. And while that may mean something only to me, that's just how it is. -- PL
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06-13-2010, 07:42 PM
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Okay. Fine. Volume 4 is "his" and nobody else can ever "have it".
Sure. Whatever. But if that's the case, then I would really, really like Volume 4 to be excised from continuity like the cancer it is. It's not fair to have a huge chunk of story inserted into the ongoing narrative only for the creator to decide he will never finish it and he will never let anyone else finish it for him and that the people who paid money for 30 issues can just go screw themselves, because it's "his". If he wants Volume 4 to be his and his exclusively, then he's welcome to it. But if that's the case, then I'd much rather it be some loen splinter continuity that can be ignored by the ongoing storyline of the Mirage universe. Who knows if that universe will ever be continued, but if it IS, then I'd rather whoever continues it just pick up from the Mirage "Volume 3" stories (the ones from Tales volume 2 that take place before Volume 4) and then go in a direction that'll offer actual results. And that's even before I weigh in the stuff in Volume 4 I didn't like, such as "April is a magic doodle" and so on. |
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06-13-2010, 07:49 PM
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Laird is essentially implying his "writing" since planet racers (possibly longer) has been in the same vein as the "marvel style" which gave so much latitude to artists as to earn them, in many peoples opinion, co writing status.
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06-13-2010, 07:50 PM
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I'm totally down with it being his personal project and artistic vision, BUT -
The one issue I take with it, and I'm sure Laird and even some fans may disagree, is that this is not great literary art we're dealing with, where the creator's vision and the piece's integrity need to be maintained. This is pure serialized genre, and is an important piece of an existing continuity. If he wanted to nurture an artistic baby, he should have done so outside of the vast anthropology of existing Turtles canon. As it stands, this is one long series with dozens of contributors, and now a large and extremely important section (which determines the direction of all later events) of that story is tied up and not properly finished. He brought April's origin, aliens on Earth, an entire new world for the Turtles to interact with, and new problems into the Mirage universe. And regardless of how you feel about them, leaving those enormous character arcs unresolved now cheapens the entire Mirage run as a whole story. I don't read stories without endings; they're the most important damn element in all of fiction. I would not have paid for the issues I bought if I didn't think I was going to get a complete story out of it. I've always appreciated the fact that the Mirage team were clearly writing stories they enjoyed, but at the same time, someone has to realize that they're producing a serialized piece of fiction which fans want to be able to cohesively read. I would never demand that they cater to fans' whims with their actual ideas, but I don't think it's out of line to want or expect and ending to the volume. I don't care who writes it. So, yeah. Biting the bullet and passing on scripting and writing duties would have been by far the best choice. If this was a stand-alone volume or Turtles were high art, my opinion would be different. But as it stands, this was simply not the proper venue for a personal vanity story, not at this point in the series' run. But again, c'est la vie. I'd rather get the summaries than get nothing at all. Last edited by Cipher; 06-13-2010 at 08:14 PM. |
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06-13-2010, 08:06 PM
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Even though I expected this before he posted that blog, it really does suck.
I've been reading Volume 4 since 2001! I was still in High School when Volume 4 started...for goodness sakes! And yeah, leaving a huge story like Vol. 4 unfinished just feels like a slap in the face. I just can't see why he feels so much parental control over it when he's not going to bother continuing it anyway. My only hope is a few years from now Pete might get nostalgic to do Turtle work again and might conclude it. That's our only hope (well, for those who want it finished), does anyone see something like that happening? |
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06-13-2010, 08:11 PM
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It's just that Volume 4 was: 1) Serialized, so we all purchased with expectation of a resolution. 2) Designed to fit into a network of continuity, and is one of the most important eras in said continuity. It going unfinished mars a lot more than just Volume 4 itself. 3) Is a fun little sci-fi story written as it went a long, nothing exceptionally literary. He's essentially said that it was his fun little pet project. I just hope he realizes that while he was having fun with it, we were all following it seriously, waiting for the pay-off. |
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