Turtle Turncoat

[Fang Wolf]

Originally Posted by Tony Day

I'm talking to those crappy 3 pages below (B&W)

This is not CRAP...
They all look good... *They is fine*

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Tony Day

oh,,... i think you're referring to my prototype pages, done way before the comic.. they've been on my website for ages (hidden away)...

I'm talking to those crappy 3 pages below (B&W)

Those look inspired from the Random House adaption of the early episodes in coloring pages.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Tony Day

More coming soon.. promise

In the meantime I thought id post these unused pages from the early part of Turtle Turncoat that I found lying around.

You can see why I didn't use them... they're utter CRAP!

http://www.trydowave.com/turtlesprototype.web.htm

Laters

Tony

Woohoo, Tony, this is a delight!

You know I've been following your Turncoat comic since way back... before 2001. So seeing some never-before-revealed pieces from the work-in-progress stage is just so satisfying. Back in the day, ambitious TMNT fanart was in scarce supply, as there was no real equivalent to Deviantart or Twitter or wherever else folks post art nowadays. And even today, TMNT fan comics that stay faithful to the source material are pretty rare. So seeing how ideas might have been developing in your head is great.

The first new page is my favorite, as it seems the most developed story-wise. It's funny to see Raphael hiding in the bushes (in the park maybe?) and none of the other three turtles even have the faintest clue he's around. Makes one think he'd been following April around, taking care not to tip his brothers off.

And the dialogue suggests this would have been the first new event to occur after the painful conclusion of TT Part 1, where Raphael's breakdown injures Splinter, incurs the wrath of his brothers, and ends with a tearful moment with April. The actual Part 2 begins with April's narration that a year had passed already, so it's nice to see how you were wrestling with how to fill in the narrative gap. Ultimately, I think you made the right decision to time jump and then use April's flashbacks to tell the rest of the story.

It is sad that Raphael never fulfilled his promise to April to "look her up one day" in the official continuity, so this new alternate development would have been interesting to see what kind of interaction they would have had before he joined up with Shredder the following year. One thing I really appreciate about Turtle Turncoat is how you decided to develop April as a character in your story. In Part 1, she starts out as a shallow, rude journalist and quickly descends into torture-porn cheesecake. But by the end of Part 1 and the beginning of Part 2, it's clear she has become essential to the heart of the narrative that will ultimately be the key to Raphael's redemption.

Also, kudos to you on the design for April's "summer wear" cut-off jumpsuit. It reminds me of the outfit she wore across South and Central America between issues 13 and 18 of the Archie TMNT Adventures comic.

[Tony Day]

Originally Posted by Fang Wolf

This is not CRAP...
They all look good... *They is fine*

Thanks Fang.. im just glad i didnt end up using them

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Woohoo, Tony, this is a delight!

You know I've been following your Turncoat comic since way back... before 2001. So seeing some never-before-revealed pieces from the work-in-progress stage is just so satisfying. Back in the day, ambitious TMNT fanart was in scarce supply, as there was no real equivalent to Deviantart or Twitter or wherever else folks post art nowadays. And even today, TMNT fan comics that stay faithful to the source material are pretty rare. So seeing how ideas might have been developing in your head is great.

The first new page is my favorite, as it seems the most developed story-wise. It's funny to see Raphael hiding in the bushes (in the park maybe?) and none of the other three turtles even have the faintest clue he's around. Makes one think he'd been following April around, taking care not to tip his brothers off.

And the dialogue suggests this would have been the first new event to occur after the painful conclusion of TT Part 1, where Raphael's breakdown injures Splinter, incurs the wrath of his brothers, and ends with a tearful moment with April. The actual Part 2 begins with April's narration that a year had passed already, so it's nice to see how you were wrestling with how to fill in the narrative gap. Ultimately, I think you made the right decision to time jump and then use April's flashbacks to tell the rest of the story.

It is sad that Raphael never fulfilled his promise to April to "look her up one day" in the official continuity, so this new alternate development would have been interesting to see what kind of interaction they would have had before he joined up with Shredder the following year. One thing I really appreciate about Turtle Turncoat is how you decided to develop April as a character in your story. In Part 1, she starts out as a shallow, rude journalist and quickly descends into torture-porn cheesecake. But by the end of Part 1 and the beginning of Part 2, it's clear she has become essential to the heart of the narrative that will ultimately be the key to Raphael's redemption.

Also, kudos to you on the design for April's "summer wear" cut-off jumpsuit. It reminds me of the outfit she wore across South and Central America between issues 13 and 18 of the Archie TMNT Adventures comic.

This is a great comment Adam. It almost seems like Turncoat is a DVD with a hidden Easter egg . I agree with so much of what you said, im glad that you think April grew as a character. im sure that's more to do with my old mate Alan's ability to write dialogue than anything else. He followed my basic story but fleshed it out far better than i ever could.

Was my comic really around before twitter etc? Was it like the dawn of AOL and dial up lol. Probably was. i feel old now lol.

Thanks again.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Those look inspired from the Random House adaption of the early episodes in coloring pages.
http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net...00/1017571.jpg

Interesting! I'm a big fan of the art in the Random House coloring books, especially the first two issues. But I'm not sure I see clear parallels in the art style. I'm thinking mostly of the faces, but maybe you mean poses or layouts? Got any examples that might help me out?

Originally Posted by Tony Day

Thanks Fang.. im just glad i didnt end up using them



This is a great comment Adam. It almost seems like Turncoat is a DVD with a hidden Easter egg . I agree with so much of what you said, im glad that you think April grew as a character. im sure that's more to do with my old mate Alan's ability to write dialogue than anything else. He followed my basic story but fleshed it out far better than i ever could.

Was my comic really around before twitter etc? Was it like the dawn of AOL and dial up lol. Probably was. i feel old now lol.

I think the first email I ever sent you about the comic happened in 2001, soon after I started college. I can't remember if I had seen the comic before college or not.

I know Alan helped you a lot with improving the dialogue, but don't sell yourself short on the narrative development. I imagine that was mostly your doing, and it was impressive progress over a decade or so. And, if I remember, the original planned ending to Turncoat was quite a bit different from the final product, and I'm very satisfied by the resolution we got.

[MikeandRaph87]

I meant poses and expressions wise. It is all in my brain so I cannot share an example. I started following this thing in 2010. I thought it had been a while, but this thing started when I was in 8th grade? Dang!

[Tony Day]

I'm just glad people read it (turnocoat that is )...

Right! Been away for a while but here's the next page of Superluminal Effect part 2

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

Was going to spend the rest of tonight doing the next page but I've got these sodding windows updating issues to sort out!!

Laterz

www.trydowave.com

[Fang Wolf]

Hahaa.."Oh, Blow it out from your *uhm*!" That was a good one
Keep it up... And hope you get ride off this issues...

[Tony Day]

Glad it made you smile Fang

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Fang Wolf

Hahaa.."Oh, Blow it out from your *uhm*!" That was a good one
Keep it up... And hope you get ride off this issues...

Yea, I got a kick outta that as well!

[Tony Day]

Hi all...

Next page is up.

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

...nite nite all.

www.trydowave.com

[Fang Wolf]

Talking Purple Slime?
Very nice...*keep it up, Tony*

[Tony Day]

Hi. Page 17 of part 2 is up

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

cya

Tony

www.trydowave.com

[oldmanwinters]

Oh, that page ROCKS, Tony!

[MikeandRaph87]

I appreciate the exploration of Dimension X. You are staying true to it as it was depicted in the 1987 cartoon and yet expanding on it.

Oldmanwinters, when you can could you send me a picture of the U.K. coloring book you referenced?

[Tony Day]

Viewed at the usual place...

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

nite nite

Tony

www.trydowave.com

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Tony Day

Viewed at the usual place...

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

nite nite

Tony

www.trydowave.com

I'm liking those new and improved Rock Soldier designs!

[Tony Day]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I'm liking those new and improved Rock Soldier designs!

thanks adam

[Fang Wolf]

Hahaha!!!
I (Female) Shredder facial expressions!

[Tony Day]

Originally Posted by Fang Wolf

Hahaha!!!
I (Female) Shredder facial expressions!

Thank you Fang.. Glad you liked it

Here's the next page up for viewing...

www.trydowave.com/issue2.htm

more soon.

Tony

www.trydowave.com