Iran attacks Israel

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

They can't because of Public Relations. Russia *could* nuke Ukraine similarly, but that won't win Russia any friends either so they won't.

Kind of like how HAMAS changed their charter in 2017 while changing none of their leadership and attacking Israel from behind a wall of civilians and hospitals?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

We're not talking about nukes. And this isn't remotely apples to apples.

The baseline principle is the same.

Russia can immediately destroy Ukraine but it won't for PR reasons.

Israel can immediately destroy Palestine but it won't for PR reasons.

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Kind of like how HAMAS changed their charter in 2017 while changing none of their leadership and attacking Israel from behind a wall of civilians and hospitals?

Palestine is one of the most densely populated places on Earth and has only become smaller with time. Hamas can't operate from anywhere where there aren't any civilians.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Palestine is one of the most densely populated places on Earth and has only become smaller with time. Hamas can't operate from anywhere where there aren't any civilians.

I went to look this up. It’s as densely populated as Tokyo. That’s dense.

[Drose18]

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Hamas can't operate from anywhere where there aren't any civilians.

Yeah, that's the reason they are using women and children as shields...

It boggles my mind that Islam is cool with that.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

It boggles my mind that Islam is cool with that.

Spoiler - anyone using religion as a weapon generally has distorted and mutated the fundamental principles of that religion. See also many evangelical Bible bashers in the Republican Party. Religious friends of mine are abandoning organised religious constructs because of the messages being preached. Jesus taught to be kind, compassionate, think of others, and love thy neighbour. Sure, as long as they are white Americans

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Spoiler - anyone using religion as a weapon generally has distorted and mutated the fundamental principles of that religion. See also many evangelical Bible bashers in the Republican Party. Religious friends of mine are abandoning organised religious constructs because of the messages being preached. Jesus taught to be kind, compassionate, think of others, and love thy neighbour. Sure, as long as they are white Americans

"What about the Christians?" Yeah, they can be bad too. They are not the ones being terrorists from behind a wall of women, children and sick people though.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Yeah, that's the reason they are using women and children as shields...

It boggles my mind that Islam is cool with that.

It doesn't really boggle the mind. Death is great for them, since they'll be sent straight to heaven and living the good life.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

"What about the Christians?" Yeah, they can be bad too. They are not the ones being terrorists from behind a wall of women, children and sick people though.

Telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies, kids you’re on your own once you’re born no state help for you, and doing their best to kill Medicare and social security. Sounds quite similar in a way. Oh and shooting dogs as well.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Oh and shooting dogs as well.

Pfffft. Tell that to my Christian mom. We have four dogs in our house, one of which she rescued from being put down at the animal shelter. In fact, she often says that if she ever wins the lottery, she’ll buy a large piece of land to build a dog sanctuary on. Of course if the “tolerant” and “loving” socialists who claim to care so much about the planet would stop voting for more taxes and stupid policies that could only lead to financial ruin, then she and the many other dog lovers in our town would be able to do more for the animals. But nooooooooo….

Also, didn’t Muhammad like order the termination of all dogs, especially the black ones?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Also, didn’t Muhammad like order the termination of all dogs, especially the black ones?

It was only a command for a certain set of ferocious dogs during his lifetime. After that, he specifically forbade killing dogs.

Anyways, back on topic...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ed-sea-houthis

"Hamas said on Saturday it was reviewing a new Israeli proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza."

I'm surprised Israel is proposing a ceasefire and seemingly willing to negotiate with Hamas. Doesn't match the earlier rhetoric of total victory and the complete elimination of Hamas.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies, kids you’re on your own once you’re born no state help for you, and doing their best to kill Medicare and social security. Sounds quite similar in a way. Oh and shooting dogs as well.

Point one...I agree that personal sovereignty is a key issue.

Point two...Are you *really* comparing limiting abortions and limiting funding for people (food stamps and Medicare/Medicaid still exist) to intentionally hiding behind women and children while you commit acts of terror and murder people? Are you mental?

Point three...Dogs have nothing to do with the issue of terrorists hiding behind women and children and in hospitals to shield themselves from the results of their own terrorist acts.

I'm surprised Israel is proposing a ceasefire and seemingly willing to negotiate with Hamas. Doesn't match the earlier rhetoric of total victory and the complete elimination of Hamas.

It does match the decades of trying to have peace though. They dont really have a winning move here other then peace because rolling over HAMAS terrorists trying to finish the holocaust is frowned upon

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

It does match the decades of trying to have peace though. They dont really have a winning move here other then peace because rolling over HAMAS terrorists trying to finish the holocaust is frowned upon

I would've expected more of from the "powerful" IDF.

But for Hamas and Palestine, these negotiations are a good sign.

[Andrew NDB]

Israel is not going to waver on eliminating Hamas. They can't. Now, a 6 week ceasefire to get a significant amount of hostages out? Well, that's a long time but they can't really ignore the hostages in good conscience so they have to do that if that's really an option. And yes, Biden can say, "But we're hoping for something more enduring after the 6 weeks!" that's just him trying to placate the Hamas supporters in his base, or what he perceives to be his base and not just crazy outliers. Not gonna happen.

Now, I'm not even sure truly eradicating Hamas beyond generationally and the de-nazification process the IDF has outlined is possible. Because most of these guys can just throw their guns out the window and quickly hide or get rid of their Hamas flags whenever they want to and now they're just suddenly peaceful Palestinians and how would anyone know any different, right? But they have to do what they can while they can.

[TurtleManiac]

And there it is, college campus protesters calling for “socialist reconstruction” of America

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-says-we-must/

Alex Stein gets assaulted by “trans for Palestine”

https://twitter.com/alexstein99/stat...64195096592426

Seems like leftists don’t know which side to choose.

[MikeandRaph87]

I had a little fun trying to figure out allegiance of countries starting with NATO and close allies and belligerent countries. A few lean one way without full commitment. A few I labeled as unstable. Some maybe be opinion.
Have fun coding a map of your own.
https://www.mapchart.net/world.html

[Mayhem]

Interesting...

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/net...nts-war-crimes

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Interesting...

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/net...nts-war-crimes

Wow, I wonder what it would mean for the war if arrest warrants were actually issued.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Wow, I wonder what it would mean for the war if arrest warrants were actually issued.

Here's a hint: absolutely nothing. 0.

[oldmanwinters]

Things will probably get interesting after the dust settles from today, whatever the outcome of Raisi’s crash.