IronHeart disney + Series

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Marketing is s*it and Riri hasn't been a big deal in the comics for years now

I would argue she's never been a particularly big deal in the comics. She headlined a book towards the end of that publishing initiative so didn't have a big moment in any of the big events of that time. Still that's no reason for the character not to have a Disney+ series. The comic industry in general is filled to the brim with characters that aren't popular enough to carry their own series but are just popular enough to be dusted off every few years to have another attempt. Some might argue that a 6-9 episode streaming series is the best place for these kinds of characters.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Rhodey being forced into the suit out of friendship and then evolving into his own character with something like War Machine is an example of a legacy character being done right.

The reason that Rhodey became Iron Man was because then writer Denny O'Neil felt it impossible to relate to capitalist Tony Stark so decided he needed to humble him by having relapse into alcoholism, lose his company, end up homeless and have his super hero identity taken over by a black guy. Which was honestly an awesome story and better than when he made John Stewart a Green Lantern just to sass Hal Jordan. It was totally woke, like way woker than Riri Williams just existing.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Oh, Captain Two Moms? Her superpower was her two moms. Or at least, that's why it was so important Dr. Strange 2 be molded into a vehicle for her.

Supposedly she was going to be the "key" to the Multiverse Saga, Feige was saying. But that's when it was going to be the Kang Dynasty and so on. Probably they were going to give her a Disney+ show before Ms. Marvel and The Marvels bombed as a one-two punch. She'll probably pop up in some little cameo in one of the next two Avengers movies and if she gets a big reaction, maybe they'll do something else with her but if not, then probably not.

You've got a Multiverse Saga of course you're going to include the character whose whole thing is being able to travel the multiverse. It'd be like making a symbiot arc in Spider-Man movie series and not including Venom at some point. That being said Multiverse of Madness was no more a vehicle for America Chavez than it was a big screen follow up to the very popular Wandavison, a character piece for Stephen Strange, cool cameos and Sam Raimi doing his horror stuff but in the Marvel house style. There's no grand conspiracy to turn the Doctor Strange series into a vehicle to promote lesbians.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The reason that Rhodey became Iron Man was because then writer Denny O'Neil felt it impossible to relate to capitalist Tony Stark so decided he needed to humble him by having relapse into alcoholism, lose his company, end up homeless and have his super hero identity taken over by a black guy. Which was honestly an awesome story and better than when he made John Stewart a Green Lantern just to sass Hal Jordan. It was totally woke, like way woker than Riri Williams just existing.

And there's nothing wrong with Denny's perspective beyond that he littered that run with the strangest content from the zeitgeist of his era making that run a real slog to read.

But beyond that, no.

Rhodey's ascension in the armor was a character evolution that coincided with Tony's character evolution and culminated in a powerful return in an unmatched triumph with issue 200. O'Neil's run was your standard-fare character deconstruction so as to reassemble with greater strength and purpose. O'Neil's run wasn't "woke". It was a character-story.

Riri was woke-replacement dog $#!( from the beginning.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by IMJ

And there's nothing wrong with Denny's perspective beyond that he littered that run with the strangest content from the zeitgeist of his era making that run a real slog to read.

But beyond that, no.

Rhodey's ascension in the armor was a character evolution that coincided with Tony's character evolution and culminated in a powerful return in an unmatched triumph with issue 200. O'Neil's run was your standard-fare character deconstruction so as to reassemble with greater strength and purpose. O'Neil's run wasn't "woke". It was a character-story.

Riri was woke-replacement dog $#!( from the beginning.

A lot of Denny O'Neil's work is incredibly woke. We're talking about the guy who wrote the famous Green Lantern/Green Arrow tackle socio-political issues stories. The character change O'Neil gave Stark may have felt like a 'natural evolution' to you but it was motivated by O'Neil really not liking the character because he was rich white guy. He used the story to alter Stark into something O'Neil liked better. Yeah he was still a rich white dude but at the end he had hang ups and a social conscience. He wasn't wrong to do this as the MCU characterised him like that from the the moment he got captured by the Ten Rings. I'm not sure they could have ever built a successful film franchise with a war profiteer as the protagonist.

The kind of character arc you think you got with Stark and Rhodey has more in common with a lot of the more modern 'replacement' heroes. Steve Rogers has the super soldier serum removed from his body and ages. His best friend takes over as Captain America...only for Steve to return to deliver the final blow to his evil doppelganger. Thor has a crisis of faith and can no longer wield mjolnir but his former lover does until he proves himself worthy again. Heck, Riri isn't even a replacement. She started being a street level armor clad vigilante when Stark was still active. It's only after he ends up in a coma he had his people gift her access to his tech. Even then she doesn't call herself Iron Man and since her AI was based off his brainwaves it's more of a mentor/mentee relationship.

[Andrew NDB]

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yikes @ that last scene there.

I actually laughed

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/b66/...ern-3.w710.jpg

Doesn't he technically do that everytime he helps saving the earth?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

A lot of Denny O'Neil's work is incredibly woke. We're talking about the guy who wrote the famous Green Lantern/Green Arrow tackle socio-political issues stories. The character change O'Neil gave Stark may have felt like a 'natural evolution' to you but it was motivated by O'Neil really not liking the character because he was rich white guy. He used the story to alter Stark into something O'Neil liked better. Yeah he was still a rich white dude but at the end he had hang ups and a social conscience. He wasn't wrong to do this as the MCU characterised him like that from the the moment he got captured by the Ten Rings. I'm not sure they could have ever built a successful film franchise with a war profiteer as the protagonist.

The kind of character arc you think you got with Stark and Rhodey has more in common with a lot of the more modern 'replacement' heroes. Steve Rogers has the super soldier serum removed from his body and ages. His best friend takes over as Captain America...only for Steve to return to deliver the final blow to his evil doppelganger. Thor has a crisis of faith and can no longer wield mjolnir but his former lover does until he proves himself worthy again. Heck, Riri isn't even a replacement. She started being a street level armor clad vigilante when Stark was still active. It's only after he ends up in a coma he had his people gift her access to his tech. Even then she doesn't call herself Iron Man and since her AI was based off his brainwaves it's more of a mentor/mentee relationship.

You're justifying wherever you can, grasping at straws to further the woke ideology you worship in a frenzy as it dies around you. O'Neil's run was more akin to "progressive" than "woke" regardless of how you want to will into your warped POV. And irony alert that the platform of worship you are trying to build is greatly hampered by the fact that a metric TON of O'Neil's written work is unreadable, drawn out narrative bore. Basically he isn't remembered for his amazing, readable stories but rather his "shocking long-form progressive" choices.

Honestly bud, you're the kind of guy who would dig in and say that Miles Davis "Bitches Brew" is a great album because you don't know any better. But it would sound good because you can argue a miscellaneous case for a black dude somewhere over an album you've heard of but don't realize is actually trash. That's you here with your tiresome O'Neil commentary in standard woke-simp style.

Riri next in line to fail. Go eat hot chip.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I actually laughed

While Galactus celebrates Denny O'Neil, he remains in huge denial about Denny's portrayal of every colored culture through cliches and stereotypes. It's awesome and just more evidence at how lost clown world clowns like Galactus are. If Clown-lactus hadn't already built locked himself into a pro-O'Niel modality here then he'd just as easily have called in a racist caricature creator in another thread where it suit his standard operating model.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's out now. And now Disney is boasting about Ironheart featuring the first drag queen and non-binary trans man in it.

https://luxury.amazingtoday.net/iron...NTAHRz-VI4dpmw

You'd think they'd want to try and make the show at least nominally more palatable and not less, but hey, what do I know?

[ZariusTwo]

Spoiler:

Speak of the devil and he appears, Mephisto makes his MCU debut

[Andrew NDB]

I skipped to the end of the last episode to see that.

Spoiler:

Sacha Baron Cohen's take on Mephisto isn't bad. And I guess this is harmless. He can still show up in something else later on and this needn't mean anything.

[CyberCubed]

Finished watching all 6 episodes, it was mostly terrible. I don't know why I still subject myself to these Marvel Disney + shows, probably just because I want to say I've seen everything. Even the 1.5x speed setting did not help, should of set it to 2x speed.

I'll watch Daredevil Season 5 but other than that I think I'm done.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Finished watching all 6 episodes, it was mostly terrible. I don't know why I still subject myself to these Marvel Disney + shows, probably just because I want to say I've seen everything. Even the 1.5x speed setting did not help, should of set it to 2x speed.

I'll watch Daredevil Season 5 but other than that I think I'm done.

You paid them for it by clicking on it.

[CyberCubed]

It's ok, the illegal streaming websites took care of that.

[IMJ]

Well... according to Rotten Tomatoes the show is top tier and that any negativity surrounding it was due to racist review bombing. And so all of those reviews were censored and now the show is great!

Boom! Instant fix -money talks-

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

You paid them for it by clicking on it.

Actually, the best thing you can do is to begin to watch a show and then shut it off about 10-15 minutes into it. Then it goes down as a "they watched it/gave it a chance and didn't like it" metric.

And wtf... if someone had told me the Ironheart show was coming to Disney+ -- which is already pretty dicey in and of itself -- and front and center would be a drag queen and some kind of trans man, I would have laughed out loud. As there's no way Disney could possibly be that STUPID.

[sdp]

Racist cybercubed