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Old 09-23-2021, 11:23 AM   #21
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Jesus, how many of layers of flashback do we need?

We have Mike and Casey at the front lines against Baxter
Flashback to Mike offering to train her and April asking about Japan
Flashback to Mike arriving in Japan and meeting S(h)inichiro
Flashback to Don and Splinter arriving in Japan
I know what you mean - it's a lot.

Somehow, it flows pretty well though, imo. Maybe the separate art styles help. Or maybe it works fine for me, thematically, because this is a story is sort of about "the end of the line", so it makes sense that we are hopping throughout time.
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:16 AM   #22
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I liked this issue. Probably the best one with #1. I thought #3 was the least engaging. This latest issue had lot more words to read. Definitely see the DKR vibe too and clearly Casey seems to be like a Robin/Carrie Kelly like character. April's role in this series is a little surprising all tech and bad ass bitch almost. You almost forget she had a computer tech job when she was with Baxter in the early Mirage days. The Hamato clan and Foot clan meeting is so much like Batman and Mutant gang leaders fight via Splinter and Hiroto. Was surprised with Caseys extra abilities coming from mutagen exposure from within years of being within company of mutagen subjects, April and Casey Jones around the TMNT and Splinter? Strange angle to go on with Caseys so called improved speed and strength which I never even assumed was happening in the book unless I'm forgetting any panels that showed this? I read it once and put the comic away. Very sad of Splinter and Don. Go down like that in a hail of arrows. Also as someone pointed out, not only did Don stab a foot in the face with his staff, I thought Splinter was just ape **** violent with the sword. We've never seen him like that even in the mirage comics. I cant see this being Nickelodeon even having a say in this series too much if those acts of violence were allowed but never see the turtles actually dead visually? I'd like to think artistic choice. Liked the story having them take down Baxters security by Fugitoid all over the city. Hiroto can be dealt with now for the final issue. Its really neat how things have gone so far in this and truly hope for a satisfied ending.
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Old 09-24-2021, 06:37 AM   #23
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True about the violence in this issue. This is one of the most savage tmnt comics ever, in terms of violence. Some of the panels are a bit disturbing. I have to toot my horn a bit, because I picked up some flak here for saying TLR would be a violent book, and exceed the ongoing in that respect.

Told some of y’all Kevin speaks a lot of truth, you just gotta know how to read him.
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Old 09-24-2021, 09:42 AM   #24
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April's role in this series is a little surprising all tech and bad ass bitch almost. You almost forget she had a computer tech job when she was with Baxter in the early Mirage days.
But understandably forgettable because this isn't that April.
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Old 09-25-2021, 01:32 AM   #25
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But understandably forgettable because this isn't that April.
Not to me. Last Ronin is a Mirage TMNT "what if/else worlds". Kevin Eastman has stated its more Mirage based since it was conceived in the Mirage days, then later says it can belong to any TMNT versions out there. The drawback to me is April doesn't look like the Mirage version and some of her attire seems to go towards the yellow color like the old toon version of April. Her hair color too. But could she not be the Mirage version, aged? Hair color can change when we get older. The use of Fugitoid and Baxter too just screams Mirage to me even though they weren't used much either in the old comics. I'm among some Dromers that haven't read TMNT comics since Vol. 3, Vol. 4 and Tales Vol. 2 runs. I haven't gotten myself to delve into IDWs run beyond the first 4 issues. Last Ronin has been one comic that got this fanboy back into TMNT comics for a moment. I think the way its been received and each issue has gone into multiple printings, I'm not the only one who came out of the sewers to check out this comic.
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:10 AM   #26
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If you kind of squint yes. The multi colored bandannas and Karai being an entirely different character sort of rule out Mirage at large, though. And I feel what Kevin and Pete envisioned in 1987 might have been very different than what they were thinking circa 1992, around "City at War" before the hard separation.

But it's fine. It makes a lot of sense. Keep it vague and sort of maybe it's own thing. When The Dark Knight Returns came out it wasn't entirely compatible with the Batman comics of the time (and later totally ruled out, though in the same way if you just read Mirage Vol. 1 #1-21ish, Last Ronin could work, if you just read Miller's Year One and then TDKR that would work, too)... but for a while it sort of could have been. None of these things made it less of a comic and it's still beloved.

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One of the most interesting things about this issue to me, was the way Splinter went full throttle on Hiroto, as opposed to retreating, and potentially saving Donatello, as well as himself.

I wonder if they will come back around to that, but either way, it speaks to the cycle of revenge both families are caught up in. It comes across as a bit cold of Splinter, despite there being an understanding of his loss. It seems revenge won out in the end, and Donatello sort of paid the price for it. It’s great to have this type of nuance back in a tmnt story.
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