Get Over The Conceit

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

This is gatekeeping.

Yeah, but by that logic we should open a forum for Turtlecest shippers and let them come here. I'd rather they stay isolated in the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr, separate from normal society.

I don't mind shipping in general, but it really has little to no place in TMNT, its why nobody cares about April/Casey as a pairing at all, it simply "happens" and nobody thinks of it.

[Netkeeper]

You don't even use Tumblr, there's no sense in trying to convince us that the conversation there is something that it's not. I don't see very much shipping discussion. I see a lot of headcanon discussion. I don't see very many "female character wars", either, I don't even know what you're talking about there.

And didn't Plastron point this out before? Not all shipping is heterosexual. If a canon lacks female characters, shipping isn't going to go away, it's just going to be male/male instead [or did you never get into DragonBall or Megaman? Because I did, and I ship a hell of a lot of things in both of them as well as TMNT]. You have to be a special kind of ignorant to not know about ships like Raph/Casey and Leo/Usagi. Do you want me to get more examples for you?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah, but by that logic we should open a forum for Turtlecest shippers and let them come here. I'd rather they stay isolated in the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr, separate from normal society.

I don't mind shipping in general, but it really has little to no place in TMNT, its why nobody cares about April/Casey as a pairing at all, it simply "happens" and nobody thinks of it.

Trust me, the feeling is mutual.

[Leo656]

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

[Kingoji]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

I didn't realise that someone had indexed the entire contents of Tumblr. Must have missed the memo.

But speaking as a straight white male who does use Tumblr, you're talking out of your arse. I've never encountered the kind of behaviour you claim exists there.

I have however encountered TMNT shipping... loooong before the new series was even a glimmer in Nick's eye. But again, never on Tumblr. Not saying it isn't there, but it's clearly not as rife as you claim.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

I'm both horrified and intrigued at the prospect of meeting him in the meatworld some day

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm both horrified and intrigued at the prospect of meeting him in the meatworld some day

This.

Some people are way different when you actually meet them. Some of the coolest people I know offline are insufferable when they get behind a keyboard. I've run into the inverse, too.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Kingoji

But speaking as a straight white male who does use Tumblr, you're talking out of your arse.

87 F'n points for using the word "arse" in a conversation, my dude. Y'know what? It's Tuesday and it ain't rainin', go ahead and make it an even hundred. Don't say I never gave ya nothin'. 25 Bonus Points if you're actually a Celt.

As far as online vs. real life personas, I kind of only have one gimmick and I play it everywhere. S'just one'a me. Less to remember. I'm bewildered how some people craft elaborate personas for themselves on the internet, seems like a lot of work for absolutely zero upside. Ah well. I guess some people just feel they're not very interesting otherwise? ((Shrug))

It's like my wrestling gimmick, how some guys play a whole new character from who they really are; I can't be bothered with that noise, that's entirely too much work. They tried, at first, I'm like "can't I just do what I always do, but with tights on?" They're like, "Y'know what, yeah, you're a f*ckin' cartoon anyways, just do you." It works.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yes, yes. #NotAllFanboys.
First off, you assume I think fanboys are all of a specific gender, which I don't. I'm a woman, and identify as a fanboy.

Secondly, don't confuse passion with being an outright jerk. It's not passion that I have a problem with, it's the hostile attitude that, "SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH THEIR TOYS WRONG!" The idea that there's only one-true-way to be a fan, and anyone who deviates from that needs be "Shunned to the darkest corners" of another part of the web.

Like what you like.
Don't like what you don't like.
As the song goes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Thank you for the clarification. I just didn't know that you separate "fanboy" and "fangirl" into something apart from gender identification. So on that note... how do you define a "fanboy" versus a "fangirl" then?

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

If you're not fighting to dismantle a toxic status quo, then you are in fact supporting it.

Tumblr and DeviantArt don't "appear" to be safer because they allow a certain level of security, they ARE safer because they allow a certain level of security. And women go there so they don't have to deal with Jerk Gatekeepers.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

These forums have far more than their fair share of trolls and cynics, and I say this as one myself, but I present myself that way here on purpose because the environment here is far more toxic than a place like Tumblr. I put up my walls here, because I know this type of environment can be damaging. I've frequented fandom forums for over a decade, and I've been on Tumblr for half a decade -- I can say with confidence that Tumblr is a far safer environment, but it's not because you can isolate yourself, since it's just as easy to be dogpiled on Tumblr as it is here [why else do people hate SJWs? They sic their followers on people. I've been a victim of that several times myself]. It's because the percentage of harmful people is lower than the percentage of harmful people on almost any fandom forum, not just this one.

That and forums aren't exempt from their own stereotypes and reputations. Just as we tend to view Tumblr as an SJW breeding ground, other places view forums as rabid fanboy hives that are often sexist, racist, homophobic, and filled with people that think they're way smarter than they actually are. [They're also more likely to contain people like CyberCubed that lord their opinion over others and treat it as fact. That's a stereotype too.] The only fandom forums I've been to that didn't carry a large userbase that conformed to these stereotypes were run by and for female and LGBT fans.

Also, many of these problems are multiplied when the userbase has lots of gamers or western comic book fans. This forum has both.

This environment is not "just the internet".

I guess I'll take both of your statements concern it. It could be a slippery slope though (as we've seen here) on security measures in defining the difference between "trolling" versus a highly unpopular, strongly passionate argument; in addition, to considering the sensitivity of users. ...But I guess it's narrowing down to the "imposing" aspect or forcing it upon someone else, if we get right down to it. Right?

...But...couldn't one argue that the health of the internet trolls gauges the freedom of speech on the internet?

[ssjup81]

I'm pretty much the same online and off. I don't like conflict, so I watch what I say and try to treat others the way I would want to be treated.

[plastroncafe]

No. All the number of trolls indicates is how many people choose to be jerks rather than decent people.

[CyberCubed]

Funny that before tumblr was created. these people hung around livejournal and those angelfire websites and yahoo chat rooms in the early 2000's. Even before tumblr these people were segregated from the rest of the fandom.

There is no equal opportunity here, you either like the show for normal reasons or you're shunned to the backwaters. While people can agree/disagree on the show of course, the most absurd headcanon's and wishfullfillment stuff is best left at the door.

We're in the year 2014, not 1999.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I hear that all the time as well, and even well before the "Shellshocked" interview with Ciro.

What was this?

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.

"It's the Internet" isn't really much of an excuse, though. The only reason some people behave like they do online, harassing/trolling and spewing gross nonsense, is because everyone else just puts up with it. If we can do better (and we can) then we should be.

Originally Posted by Leo656

As far as online vs. real life personas, I kind of only have one gimmick and I play it everywhere. S'just one'a me. Less to remember. I'm bewildered how some people craft elaborate personas for themselves on the internet, seems like a lot of work for absolutely zero upside. Ah well. I guess some people just feel they're not very interesting otherwise? ((Shrug))

I'm the same, really. Don't see the need for an "alter ego" anymore. Hell, my username is just my actual name - kind of fell into a philosophy a while back that if I say something publicly, even online, I shouldn't be anonymous. I see either side of that concept, but it works for me.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

I'm now convinced this thread is really just a TMNT inspired form of performance art.



Only difference in me between real life and internetland is I'm more easily outspoken in writing. Real life I'm more the quiet, observing one who doesn't tend to have much to say. Otherwise in terms of personalty I'm the same.

[Kingoji]

Originally Posted by Leo656

87 F'n points for using the word "arse" in a conversation, my dude. Y'know what? It's Tuesday and it ain't rainin', go ahead and make it an even hundred. Don't say I never gave ya nothin'. 25 Bonus Points if you're actually a Celt.

English mother, Scot father, Irish grandparents. I should probably marry a Welsh girl and spawn the Super-Brit.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.

shipping isn't just whats canon. the idea of shipping really can do with anything from what is indeed canon to what people want to do with headcanon or fanfic or whatever. shipping is the idea of pairing two characters together, regardless of whether or not its been done in official media.

again you're talking about something you REALLY, ACTUALLY dont even seem to get the definition of.

Originally Posted by Bry

"It's the Internet" isn't really much of an excuse, though. The only reason some people behave like they do online, harassing/trolling and spewing gross nonsense, is because everyone else just puts up with it. If we can do better (and we can) then we should be.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

go, drome!

[Bry]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

go, drome!

At this point, in situations like this, it feels like CyberCubed officially comes with a little disclaimer asterisk that doesn't apply to anyone else.

That said - as much as I try to support a "just be nice" policy, some folks seem like they're practically begging for some blowback.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone else think the title of this thread read like the beginning of a hip-hop music video?

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by Bry

At this point, in situations like this, it feels like CyberCubed officially comes with a little disclaimer asterisk that doesn't apply to anyone else.

yeah, no.

Originally Posted by Bry

That said - as much as I try to support a "just be nice" policy, some folks seem like they're practically begging for some blowback.

true dat...

oh my god, true dat!

[DarkFell]

People are gonna ship whatever they want to see happen. While I may not agree with every pairing, there are some interesting ones out there.

And no Cubed, most Turtle'cesters will not stay in a deep dark prison corner. They are entitled to draw what they want as much as the rest of the viewing audience is entitled to like their fanart or dislike it.

Yes this is TMNT, and yes we as people are entitled to see TMNT in whatever way makes US happy. There isn't no right or wrong way to view or enjoy a franchise fandom.