11-26-2021, 09:20 PM | #1 |
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Retroactive Continuity on the 1987 show
Have you noticed how in the past decade we've seen the 1987 elements and essence changed? It's becoming what people think the 1987 show was more than what it actually was. Here are some examples:
Casey Jones: He only appeared in 6 episodes out of 193, that's about 3% or so yet because of his popularity based on the first movie for the most part and him being a staple in every turtles media he now constantly appears as if he had been a main character like in other shows. 2012 showed him hanging with the turtles, he'll be included in the new OT video game, he got priority release in the NECA line etc. Mutants: Now this is a misconception even from when the TMNT was a fad, mostly because of the toyline but we all know the turtles mostly fought either Shredder&Krang or Mobster/Mad Scientist of the day, Most mutants only got a one episode appearance and it wasn't until later seasons where they started to appear really. Yet we now live in an age where anything OT related has all the classic mutants who if ucky appeared in one episode for more than a few minutes. NECAs 1987 toyline is a good example of this. Goofy turtles: For 1987 TMNT connoisseurs like us we know the turtles are never as goofy as people think they are, even the sillier moments in season 4 never get as goofy as what people think. We've seen it happen when the turtles return like in Turtles Forever or the second 2012 crossover and prety much any parody does this as well. Other stuff: The latest mobile game based on the OT includes Karai as a playable character. OT April is now a fighter which mostly began in the 2000s. Krang became an utrom in 2012. In general 1987 has become what people think it is more than what it actually is, I know this happens with pretty much most things but I feel it's been overdone with the OT. |
11-26-2021, 10:10 PM | #2 | |
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Here are some I could think of:
1. Krangs android body has only enlarged itself for three episodes of the original show, while the crossovers have had Krang's body go big as if it was a regular occurrence in the past. 2. 87 Michelangelo's nunchucks also appear quite frequently in his depictions after the old show, which isn't completely inaccurate but keep in mind that Michelangelo had his nunchucks for less than half of the Original Shows run. 3. There seems to be this idea floating around that the 1987 Splinter wasn't a fatherly figure to his turtles, but just a teacher. While his fatherly side wasnt explored in the old show as much as future incarnations, 87 Splinter still referred to the turtles as his sons alot, so it's not accurate when for example, Turtles Forever depicts the 87 Turtles as being shocked by how the 2003 Turtles call their Splinter Father.
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11-26-2021, 11:45 PM | #3 |
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Most of the "retcons" mentioned here aren't really retcons because they're not in the show itself. Before I get into some actual retcons I've noticed (or at least contradictions I guess), I might as well start by defending/explaining some of the "retcons" mentioned here.
As for actual retcons in the show?... I think most are the results of carelessness rather than intention and might count more as contradictions. Like the second to final Baxter Stockman episode being ignored by the final one, or Krang's species being shown briefly as disembodied brain creatures before confirming his natural form is a lizard-monster. There is also that one time Bebop and Rocksteady claimed to have been Zoo animals before they mutated, or the Mondo Gecko episode seemingly implying that the Turtles' origin was more like the comic book with them falling directly into the ooze with no sign of Splinter's furniture in sight. But like I said, I don't think there was any intention behind these. |
11-26-2021, 11:57 PM | #4 |
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I meant to change the thread title before I posted it but forgot, yeah I know they aren't traditional retcons but I couldn't think of a name to give to the reimagining what the 87 show was that we've seen since Viacom bought the turtles. Not that I don't mind discussions on retcons but it wasn't the real intention of the thread.
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11-27-2021, 09:32 AM | #5 |
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I think the only real retcon is Krang being a Kraang from the 2012 dimension being banished to the OT dimension, which for all intents and purposes is meant to be the same Krang we see in the old show. Also to be fair the old show never explained exactly who banished him to begin with.
But yeah, we don't get to see actual retcons unless we get a new show that follows up the old one. If we get a new show I expect 3 things. - the internet to somehow be a thing even though they'll most likely keep the turtles acting as if they're from the 80s. Idk. I just see the internet being too prevalent nowadays to pretend it doesn't exist, especially for an actual multi-episode series. Have em cameo in an ep and make a 'they don't know what internet is cause 80s' joke that works, but an ongoing show without the internet? Naw. - Casey to be around more often, though he might lose his original personality since that works better for a guest character over a recurring one. - retcon away all the Lord Dregg and Carter stuff cause no one cept us here at the Drome remember it. It'll probably be back to Shredder and Krang's world conquering/power the technodrome plots. If anything they might reintroduce Dregg but make him fit in more with the overall tone instead of having the drastic Red Sky tone and art shift.
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11-27-2021, 12:04 PM | #6 |
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Having Casey Jones prominently around during the Red Sky seasons could have been the best thing to do to achieve the more serious tone they were trying to inject into the series.
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11-27-2021, 03:11 PM | #8 | |
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And "enjoy it for what it is" would typically just be code for "I can't really argue against you, so I'm just going to lazily deflect your criticism and behave as if I said anything of substance". |
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11-27-2021, 04:14 PM | #9 |
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Casey Jones works best in "down to Earth" adventures dealing with street thugs, since he can both infiltrate them and beat them up. There is no major point with Casey Jones accompanying the Turtles to the Dimension X and infiltrate the Technodrome.
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