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08-16-2008, 08:48 PM | #21 |
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Point is, when a company isn't even giving promotion to big name books WITHIN comics circles, there is a problem. Furthermore, the people I've talk to generally say Iron man brough in new people for a while, though batman's to non comicbook saturated at this point to be of much help.
It would be like if marvel had just solicited the Brubaker Captain America and not given it any press whatsoever. I'm willing to bet it would have gotten significantly lower sales if it had used the (almost entirely fictitious) mirage advertising method. |
08-16-2008, 09:50 PM | #22 |
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TMNT are too. That's why Mirage focuses on licensing and not on publishing. I really don't believe that promoting would make *that* much of a difference. They have become way too much of a licensing giant, and (to use your term) non-comic book saturated like Batman, Superman, and Spider-man...
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Not buying it. Even batman/superman/spiderman receive advertising to comics fans. And almost any publisher tries to break the bookstore market. Gary? Zilch. I'm not even sure I blame peter here. He seems to be just laying his hands off. It would probably be fore the best (given his seeming disinterest in business matters) had someone who failed to understand even the basics of A: Business and B: Comics not been appointed as CEO. Heck, I can at least give Joe Quesada and Co. credit for knowing to hype their books and advertise them. Even the NON comics Turtles stuff it treated so badly it's hard not to giggle.
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I stand by the belief that if the book got a little more exposure, more people would be reading, but I don't think that either DC or Marvel will do TMNT the justice people think they might. Sure, they might promote the **** out of it when they get it, but what after that?
When Wildstorm got the New Line Horror franchises they did pretty well to begin with, but the sales have been dire and SINCE they got the licenses, they've done nothing to promote it. IF Turtles were to go somewhere else for comic publishing, I think IDW and Dynamite, with Image and Dark Horse being the long shots. I was always under the impression that Trades sold better in the wake of a movie (or anticipation of) over the comics themselves... I hadn't seen a copy of Watchmen on the shelves in a while, nor the Long Halloween, and now that Hellboy 2 is out I think there'll be a spike there too. Sin City was the same.
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08-16-2008, 10:25 PM | #25 |
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Marvel would have someone offer the Turtles a chance to bring back Splinter if it meant never meeting April, and they would take it. DC would merge all of the TMNT universes into one due to an irate Michelangelo who is striking the barrier of reality until it shatters. He will then turn evil and kill 60% of the population of this combined universe.
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And your right. Bookstores report much higher sales increases for character books after movies than the direct market. Shame mirage won't be seeing that for any future films/tv shows as long as Gary's around... |
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The bookstore trades crowd are NOT the primary comics crowd. And again, you are ignoring the issues that are plaguing the economy and industry generally. Big publicity is not the save-all answer. You can not buy it all you want. You can believe that getting a big company behind it will save the comics. It won't. Why do you think Titan didn't renew their license after a year? It's because they (who *do* market the hell out of their publications...) didn't sell enough to warrant the series. And I can hear you saying "well they didn't try in the US..." but the truth is that the UK market is about 100% hotter for comics and comics-related merchandise right now. If it wouldn't have made it in the UK, it wouldn't have made it here. I can also tell you that Marvel and DC have less than no interest in TMNT. I can't tell you how I know that, but in recent weeks, in meetings I've had, its been discussed. Why don't they want it? Because they don't feel its a franchise that will support comics. Period. Its too niche a franchise, comic wise. The TMNT comics fans that post on boards like this are hardcore. Mainstream TMNT audience? Not really there enough to warrant the comics generally.
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Admittedly it is EASIER for a newcomer to get on board, when you look at how Dark Horse reprints the older stories... Quote:
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This is why the smaller-bigger companies are the ones that I could see working the Turtles. All it takes is a company willing to give something a go. If Marvel or DC aren't willing to do that, then it won't happen. This is why I suggested IDW or Dynamite. Numbers aside, Army of Darkness is pretty niche, Transformers, CSI, Galaxy Quest, Silent Hill, The Lone Ranger, The Man with No Name. Even Dark Horse, look at Usagi, Hellboy, BPRD... these are all titles I'm positive the same thing would be said about. Street Fighter over at Udon is another good example... Quote:
Half the reason I check out a lot of the new material I do is because I've seen a preview or an interview or something like that, on a website or a magazine with some decent exposure. Some piece of promotion, even if it's just some little indie project that a guy has flaunted up on a message board. I rarely go into comic shops and look at things I don't already know about beforehand. If I do, it's usually a trade or a back issue, and one of the most common complaints I hear about the Turtles comics is that nobody stocks them, so even if people did go into a comic shop to just peruse the racks and stumble upon something new, Turtles isn't there for it to happen, because retailers spend more time looking at the trends online than they do paying attention to the smaller books in Previews.
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No? Huh. Fancy that. Even with these things though, It would be best to accept realistic sales numbers for a black and white indie book, but that's a horse of a different color. Quote:
And Ninja turtles has been having it's current problems for years, so the current economic and industry problems aren't the main problem. Or even a significant one for the purpose of discussing what is wrong with the franchise as is. Unless your talking about the going on 20 years death of floppies. Quote:
Titan not renewing their license doesn't surprise me, they had better things to spend their money on for one, and frankly I doubt they saw the fee as a fair trade off. To say nothing of the fact the british have much less recognition for the TMNT than they should. Its also funny you fail to mention the non english language publishers that ARE still producing original work. Heck, I think I have some italian comics around here somewhere with leo vs Hun... Quote:
To be honest, I'd never want Marvel or DC near the turtles. They're a bit too... cookie cutter to really do something this offbeat. Image might work better, dark horse could probably do it, IDW could. Quote:
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Indeed. I didn't even think of Udon. But I think HBOY, SW, and USAGI help prove DarkHorse can handle unusual or varied material. IDW would be good, Dynamite would do great simply for the major talent they like to use. Heck, SLave labor graphics is doing great things with Gargoyles right now, and it's one of their more profitable franchise (AND they have to deal with Disney level red tape) Quote:
Agreed in entirety.
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I think everyone who acted up about Murph's blog shot themselves in the feet, but so far 4kids have been doing okay with the Turtle blog. Quote:
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Oh god. Please not SLG. They do really good books, but TMNT would be coming out less frequently than Vol.4
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Not denying that, just pointing out similarities in market and availablility problems. Quote:
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Well, in fairness, alot of that has to do with Red tape on their licensed books. It's nearly impossible to get Disney to clear something. The other books though, yea, those show a bit of a problem. |
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08-17-2008, 03:15 PM | #32 |
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Yeah I know what you mean
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08-17-2008, 03:31 PM | #33 |
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Back to what I want to see after Volume four. I just wanna see a re-vamp of the franchise. Younger turtles, lots more action, etc. A kind of story telling we really haven't seen in a long time in the franchise. A more serious and dramatic things to take place. Personally, I'd love to see a new book back with Splinter in it. I was really against him being dead, but I guess it had to happen sometime.
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You could virtually pick any point between Volume 2 (and/or 3) and 4 and go from there. You can get away with a revamp, not really rely on too much continuity and have Splinter alive without getting up people's bums about starting all over.
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08-18-2008, 05:40 PM | #35 |
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Yeah. That's what I'd like to see. I'd really love to see it become more action oriented. A bunch of panels of crazy fights and what not.
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08-19-2008, 08:08 PM | #36 |
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It just needs a firm direction. And clearly defined storylines with beginnings and ends and hot artists. I'm perfectly OK with having one arc about bloody, balls-out ninja action (say, a Chinese Triad comes to town and muscles in on the Foot, and the TMNT get in the middle), the next arc about the TMNT going on a space adventure, then the next arc the TMNT just relaxing, having beers and maybe try to scare away one of Shadow's boyfriends or something... all of which, perhaps some singular threat looming over all the arcs, culminating in a later arc or something that leads to a big payoff. Rinse, repeat, etc..
It's just all about direction. And if you ask me, if the only black and white we're going to be given is to be duotone-less or with the quickie Photoshop tone business, I'm not terribly interested in black and white TMNT comics at all. I doubt the general public is either. Might as well go color, with some of the more talented digital colorists out there. It's amazing what they can do now. |
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