tmnt 117 preview and discussion - Page 2

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 12:45 PM

Yep, you nailed it. This has nothing to do with desperately hoping that the comic can still be salvaged back to its old form, or wanting to read about actual ninja turtles doing actual ninja turtle stuff, or see more development from their ancillary characters and villains. No, sir. The real truth behind all the criticism is that we all secretly love this run and its blatant agenda and just can't get enough of it. Really captures the essence of TMNT, you know?

Obligatory Austin Powers paraphrase: Soo Mi? Soo Yu!

*CyberCubed* · 06-09-2021, 12:47 PM

Anyone get the feeling we're going to get a mini-series with Rahzar/Tokka and Lita in the future timeline? The ending shot basically set up its own special mini-series, and we'll certainly see more of Rahzar/Tokka there. Definitely interested to see that.

As I mentioned this was a decent epilogue issue. Technically we're still not done with mutant town as we have the whole Sally running for Mayor and kicking Old Hob out arc coming up next, but at least we're making progress?

*Leo656* · 06-09-2021, 12:48 PM

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It's funny how the hated book gets all the discussion, despite there being previews for The Last Ronin on twitter every few days.

Far be it for me to regulate what people want to discuss, and I know there's a general truth to there being more discussion around hated things, but I'm still amused. Sue me.

People are way more mad about the Bad Thing than they're happy about the Good Thing.

Kinda have a feeling that most people would trade Last Ronin back to the ether in exchange for an ongoing TMNT series that satisfied, if it came down to choosing one over the other. TLR might be good but it's still an out-of-canon mini-series that has no appreciable effect on the status quo, nor is it likely to. And it'll be over with sooner rather than later, while the ongoing has sucked for a long while and most likely will continue to suck for the foreseeable future, and might never recover.

I hear you, though. "Count your blessings, not your curses" and all that. In the grand scheme of things that can often be difficult.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Anyone get the feeling we're going to get a mini-series with Rahzar/Tokka and Lita in the future timeline? The ending shot basically set up its own special mini-series, and we'll certainly see more of Rahzar/Tokka there. Definitely interested to see that.

As I mentioned this was a decent epilogue issue. Technically we're still not done with mutant town as we have the whole Sally running for Mayor and kicking Old Hob out arc coming up next, but at least we're making progress?

I hope so, or even a return to that timeline sometime (heh) in the main ongoing. I really want to know more about that floating Turtle.

I'm cautiously intrigued for the next arc. Saki makes everything better by just being there. He's never really interacted with Hob, or even with Stockman after their brief team-up in Vengeance. There's room for very good dialogue there, if they happen to meet.

*CyberCubed* · 06-09-2021, 12:54 PM

This also tied up a nagging end I had from the City at War arc with Karai (and Koya's) feud with the Turtles finally over. And I guess with Jennika forgiving Karai from impaling her and nearly killing her, I guess this is all put behind them. I guess the human kids that went to Fugioid to hide from Karai can come back to Earth now? lol

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This also tied up a nagging end I had from the City at War arc with Karai (and Koya's) feud with the Turtles finally over. And I guess with Jennika forgiving Karai from impaling her and nearly killing her, I guess this is all put behind them. I guess the human kids that went to Fugioid to hide from Karai can come back to Earth now? lol

I thought the issue with their return was whatever Fugitoid was afraid would happen with LeatherKrang? Even though it's been months and nothing happened yet, and he apparently didn't care enough to warn the Turtles anyway, AFAWK.

FrederikWolferson · 06-09-2021, 01:06 PM

Wow,the FW cartoon had higher stakes then this.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 01:17 PM

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Wow,the FW cartoon had higher stakes then this.

The Hello Kitty cartoon show has higher stakes than this.

Jennika: We're really good.
B&R: Guess you are at that.
Sally: Just leave, you guys.
B&R: M'kay.
Koya: WAIT! I WANT A FIGHT!
B&R: Sorry, can't hear you, we're already out the door.

Anyone else remember when these guys wielded chainsaws and sledgehammers, and slaughtered entire crime families, and left Donnie for dead with his guts all over the floor, and killed an innocent old lady just for kicks? I've dreamed up a lot of great scenarios for this comic, maybe I dreamed those too.

*Leo656* · 06-09-2021, 01:19 PM

*CyberCubed* · 06-09-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne

I thought the issue with their return was whatever Fugitoid was afraid would happen with LeatherKrang? Even though it's been months and nothing happened yet, and he apparently didn't care enough to warn the Turtles anyway, AFAWK.

Well yeah he's worried about Krang, but the initial reason for the human kids to hide there was just so Karai didn't recruit them to join the Foot against their will. If she's no longer going to bother the Turtles they have no reason to stay in Dimension X. I wonder if we'll see them whenever Fugitoid comes back to Earth.

But yeah, the whole Krang/Leatherhead and Utrom/Triceraton plots are LONG overdue. There was really no reason to leave that hanging for so long especially with the 6 month time-gap in-universe from issue 100-101 (are we expected to believe they've all been just chilling on Burnow Island for 6+ months?)

At least the Pantheon story we know is a slow-burn since they're built up as the endgame villains of the entire IDW run, but the arc with the Utroms/Krang should have happened by now.

hypered1 · 06-09-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne

I really want to know more about that floating Turtle.

They appear to have a long braid quite Venus's; also there's another turtle with pinkish face markings and a bow and arrows between that one and Tokka.
Also Pepperoni is huge in that picture but not entirely surprising considering N'Sho-V's current state.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well yeah he's worried about Krang, but the initial reason for the human kids to hide there was just so Karai didn't recruit them to join the Foot against their will. If she's no longer going to bother the Turtles they have no reason to stay in Dimension X. I wonder if we'll see them whenever Fugitoid comes back to Earth.

But yeah, the whole Krang/Leatherhead and Utrom/Triceraton plots are LONG overdue. There was really no reason to leave that hanging for so long especially with the 6 month time-gap in-universe from issue 100-101 (are we expected to believe they've all been just chilling on Burnow Island for 6+ months?)

At least the Pantheon story we know is a slow-burn since they're built up as the endgame villains of the entire IDW run, but the arc with the Utroms/Krang should have happened by now.

Ironically enough, the Pantheon have been/are about to be front-and-center a lot more than the Burnow Island plot thread. The epilogue to #100 makes it clear that Fugitoid is unwilling to return any of the humans - even Harold or Libby - to Earth as long as LeatherKrang is running rampant. So then why didn't he let the Turtles know about that threat in the meantime...? This whole thing makes very little sense in-universe, and that's even without going into the absence of any glimpses at Burnow Island in the meantime like you said. Yet another reason why wasting precious time on trivial matters is so grating.

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They appear to have a long braid quite Venus's; also there's another turtle with pinkish face markings and a bow and arrows between that one and Tokka.
Also Pepperoni is huge in that picture but not entirely surprising considering N'Sho-V's current state.

I hadn't noticed those, thanks for pointing them out. And there's a mandrill, too, which I guess is a nod to Archie TMNT.

It'll be fun if Pepperoni and Anchovy have a love-hate relationship in the future, even if it leans more towards love.

*CyberCubed* · 06-09-2021, 01:33 PM

Bob and Carmen from the Archie series were also in the future shot:

I guess IDW Leo finds them soon.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 06-09-2021, 01:45 PM

A little detail I just noticed: at first I thought Rat King's face in the final panel of the last page stood in for the threat Saki was concerned about but if you look close, RK's eyes are visible as two tiny red dots outside the window in the first panel of that same page. He was actually right outside watching them!

Sh*t, Kitsune is so toast...

Must be the first time ever in a comic that a former big bad gets stuffed into a fridge, as TV Tropes would put it.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-09-2021, 01:49 PM

Guess I'll just post this under spoiler tag since it's being discussed:

Spoiler:

Kinda cool to see Campbell's original DeviantArt OC Artemisia is hanging out in the crowd.

shredder orokusaki · 06-09-2021, 02:46 PM

Iam back! And i wil kill the turtles and take my revenge! MUHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!

*Andrew NDB* · 06-09-2021, 02:48 PM

Is that Venus-Not-Venus in the upper left?

*lonewarrior20* · 06-09-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Guess I'll just post this under spoiler tag since it's being discussed:

Spoiler:

Kinda cool to see Campbell's original DeviantArt OC Artemisia is hanging out in the crowd.

Wait, that lizard like mutant behind Jay, oh my god! Did Mona and Donnie finally do it?!

TomWaltz · 06-09-2021, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne

The epilogue to #100 makes it clear that Fugitoid is unwilling to return any of the humans - even Harold or Libby - to Earth as long as LeatherKrang is running rampant. So then why didn't he let the Turtles know about that threat in the meantime...?

Um, actually, the TMNT and their allies are aware of the LeatherKrang situation. Was mentioned by Angel and Alopex mentioned it in the TMNT ANNUAL 2020. Of course, Rat King used his powers to make Angel and Alopex forget about actually witnessing LeatherKrang in the sewer, but they (as well as the TMNT) do all know LK's lurking in the shadows somewhere... they just don't know where.

Talk soon...

Tom W.

phillytmnt · 06-09-2021, 03:19 PM

I’m at the point unfortunately where I’m going to stop picking up the ongoing series and just wait for Tom Waltz to come back for the Armageddon game storyline. I tried to stick around but this story is doing nothing to keep me interested other than Saki appearing. This just isn’t for me personally and I was a huge fan of the series.
What was the point of the battle of the bands? Or Tokka and Razzor appearing? Wasn’t Rocksteady and Bebop a deadly threat? Everybody seems to be friends with there is no sense of threat or danger in the story. There is too many new characters that are uninteresting and I could care less who Jennika hooks up with. 17 issues of just seeing random characters hang out is way to long!
I wish this would be a TMNT comic again. There is still so much potential in this comic and so many storylines where it could go that would be far more interesting than animals kissing. For example, someone taken up the mantle of Shredder like Chrell and forcing Saki to team up with the turtles and confronting his past could be awesome. Or a new deadly criminal organization. Anything but what we are currently seeing.

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06-09-2021, 12:45 PM	#21
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Yep, you nailed it. This has nothing to do with desperately hoping that the comic can still be salvaged back to its old form, or wanting to read about actual ninja turtles doing actual ninja turtle stuff, or see more development from their ancillary characters and villains. No, sir. The real truth behind all the criticism is that we all secretly love this run and its blatant agenda and just can't get enough of it. Really captures the essence of TMNT, you know? Obligatory Austin Powers paraphrase: Soo Mi? Soo Yu!

06-09-2021, 12:47 PM	#22
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	Anyone get the feeling we're going to get a mini-series with Rahzar/Tokka and Lita in the future timeline? The ending shot basically set up its own special mini-series, and we'll certainly see more of Rahzar/Tokka there. Definitely interested to see that. As I mentioned this was a decent epilogue issue. Technically we're still not done with mutant town as we have the whole Sally running for Mayor and kicking Old Hob out arc coming up next, but at least we're making progress?

06-09-2021, 12:54 PM	#25
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	This also tied up a nagging end I had from the City at War arc with Karai (and Koya's) feud with the Turtles finally over. And I guess with Jennika forgiving Karai from impaling her and nearly killing her, I guess this is all put behind them. I guess the human kids that went to Fugioid to hide from Karai can come back to Earth now? lol

06-09-2021, 01:06 PM	#27
FrederikWolferson Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Sewers Posts: 199	Wow,the FW cartoon had higher stakes then this.

06-09-2021, 01:33 PM	#33
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	Bob and Carmen from the Archie series were also in the future shot: I guess IDW Leo finds them soon.

06-09-2021, 01:45 PM	#34
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	A little detail I just noticed: at first I thought Rat King's face in the final panel of the last page stood in for the threat Saki was concerned about but if you look close, RK's eyes are visible as two tiny red dots outside the window in the first panel of that same page. He was actually right outside watching them! Sh*t, Kitsune is so toast... Must be the first time ever in a comic that a former big bad gets stuffed into a fridge, as TV Tropes would put it.

06-09-2021, 03:19 PM	#40
phillytmnt Thug Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 78	I’m at the point unfortunately where I’m going to stop picking up the ongoing series and just wait for Tom Waltz to come back for the Armageddon game storyline. I tried to stick around but this story is doing nothing to keep me interested other than Saki appearing. This just isn’t for me personally and I was a huge fan of the series. What was the point of the battle of the bands? Or Tokka and Razzor appearing? Wasn’t Rocksteady and Bebop a deadly threat? Everybody seems to be friends with there is no sense of threat or danger in the story. There is too many new characters that are uninteresting and I could care less who Jennika hooks up with. 17 issues of just seeing random characters hang out is way to long! I wish this would be a TMNT comic again. There is still so much potential in this comic and so many storylines where it could go that would be far more interesting than animals kissing. For example, someone taken up the mantle of Shredder like Chrell and forcing Saki to team up with the turtles and confronting his past could be awesome. Or a new deadly criminal organization. Anything but what we are currently seeing.