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Old 12-14-2022, 06:58 PM   #281
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If men were as belligerent about all the things they're insecure about as some women are, no woman would find them attractive. So I don't understand why some women make that their ultimate personality trait. Being offended all the time and trying to ruin people's good time over things they enjoy that you don't personally agree with isn't a good way to live.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:12 PM   #282
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I mean.... boys/men usually have a power fantasy or admiration over strong characters. Fat and out of shape guys either admire Goku's muscles (using an example) or get motivated to hit the gym. But they don't complain about it. I notice it's mostly unattractive women that complain about attractive animated characters instead of either admiring them or actually doing something about it.

I mean you see the fat wrestling fans go on and on about which wrestler had a 6-pack or how so-and-so looks great after they came back with a newly chiseled body. But it's the female fans bitching that Alexa Bliss and Liv Morgan are too hot and sexy looking.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:16 PM   #283
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I mean.... boys/men usually have a power fantasy or admiration over strong characters. Fat and out of shape guys either admire Goku's muscles (using an example) or get motivated to hit the gym. But they don't complain about it. I notice it's mostly unattractive women that complain about attractive animated characters instead of either admiring them or actually doing something about it.

I mean you see the fat wrestling fans go on and on about which wrestler had a 6-pack or how so-and-so looks great after they came back with a newly chiseled body. But it's the female fans bitching that Alexa Bliss and Liv Morgan are too hot and sexy looking.
That's funny because a lot of female wrestling fans want to have sex with Roman Reigns, Randy Orton and John Cena.

But I've seen guys criticising Alexa for being a mediocre wrestler and having "creepy fans".
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My overall appearance doesn't matter in this debate.

The female characters' appearance have very little effect on the narrative.

However, I would like to see more body variance between them.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:21 PM   #285
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My overall appearance doesn't matter in this debate.

The female characters' appearance have very little effect on the narrative.

However, I would like to see more body variance between them.
You have one who's pink, one who has a tongue as long as a frog's, a giant one, a tall black haired one, a short brunette with wide hips, a pink haired mechanic, an invisible one, etc... what exact lack of body varience are you talking about?
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My overall appearance doesn't matter in this debate.

The female characters' appearance have very little effect on the narrative.

However, I would like to see more body variance between them.
It's a good thing they do then. It just so happens 90% of them are all attractive in one way or another.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:27 PM   #287
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You have one who's pink, one who has a tongue as long as a frog's, a giant one, a tall black haired one, a short brunette with wide hips, a pink haired mechanic, an invisible one, etc... what exact lack of body varience are you talking about?
Also one that's totally jacked.

Face it, she just wants someone fat and ugly, or maybe someone extremely masculine with the side-shave like all the modern day woke mary sue protagonists.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:29 PM   #288
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You have to realise that MHA is a shounen, which means boy/boys in Japanese. The primary audience for this series are boys. And what do boys like? Girls. Hence why you don't have a female equivalent of Fat Gum in the series.

In Sailor Moon, a series targeted at girls, most of the male characters are tall and handsome looking. Do you think that's a coincidence? Of course not.

If you are going to complain about a series not catering to your target demographic then maybe just don't watch/read it?
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:33 PM   #289
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You have to realise that MHA is a shounen, which means boy/boys in Japanese. The primary audience for this series are boys. And what do boys like? Girls. Hence why you don't have a female equivalent of Fat Gum in the series.

In Sailor Moon, a series targeted at girls, most of the male characters are tall and handsome looking. Do you think that's a coincidence? Of course not.

If you are going to complain about a series not catering to your target demographic then maybe just don't watch/read it?
Hell, even the Sailor Moon bad guys were drop dead handsome. Malakite and such. I can't remember a single fat character in there other than some rando background character.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:37 PM   #290
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Also one that's totally jacked.

Face it, she just wants someone fat and ugly, or maybe someone extremely masculine with the side-shave like all the modern way woke mary sue protagonists.
Mirko? She's very fit and also still hot.

Some fans say Momo should be fat considero g her quirk but I disagree. She needs to eat a lot yes, but she burns off those calories quickly by using her creation quirk. Therefore she does not get fat. It's even explained in the series.

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Hell, even the Sailor Moon bad guys were drop dead handsome. Malakite and such. I can't remember a single fat character in there other than some rando background character.
Yeah.

Umino was the only ugly male character in the series and he's not fat. He's just short and wears goofy glasses. Yet he gets to date Naru.
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Mirko? She's very fit and also still hot.

Some fans say Momo should be fat considero g her quirk but I disagree. She needs to eat a lot yes, but she burns off those calories quickly by using her creation quirk. Therefore she does not get fat. It's even explained in the series.



Yeah.

Umino was the only ugly male character in the series and he's not fat. He's just short and wears goofy glasses. Yet he gets to date Naru.
I think Momo eats a lot so that she can use her quirk without turning bulimic. So it's not that she should be fat cause of her quirk, it's that she's eating to stay in her relatively thicc figure despite using her quirk so she doesn't look like All-Might's real form.

And even if she was fat, her slimming down the more she uses her quirk would just piss these whales off even worse.

But you know these Twitter clowns. They don't care about the creator's wishes, just about their representation.
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I like big boobs and I cannot lie.
So you're straight after all.
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Old 12-14-2022, 10:10 PM   #294
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Welp, I've just started this series. It's interesting so far. That All Might thing is just....wow!! That was just weird. I like this whole quirk thing, though. Wish I had one. I'd want telportation powers!

As for the female characters...I never once thought about this being very fanservicey. Also, all of the characters are out there fighting crime. You don't want a stereotypical, donut-eating cop type trying to fight as a superhero. They'd fair as well as Homer when he tried to run a block to catch Snake after Marge took off after him. It makes sense that all of the characters are slim or whatever since they're constantly working out or training in some way or form. Why is that a problem? Also, why would anyone compare themselves to an animated character anyway? I also like Momo. She's so adorable! She has a nice little figure and it's probably because she's short that she's shaped the way that she is. So she has big boobs, who cares? Why should anyone? Even the characters in the show, so far, don't. It's not like a silly subplot point like Lina in Slayers Next who was jealous of Amelia for being bustier than her. That aside, I do know one Japanese woman (I still call her Yuri-chan) who had that type of figure, though. Short, a little curvy, busty. She just had her second child a while back, though...so not sure she still has it, but who cares.

Also, just adding on, as someone who lived in Japan for nearly 7 1/2 years, it's rare to see many of them overweight. I could probably count on one hand how many I came across who would be considered "overweight" that I hung with on a semi-regular basis. I guess it's like most writers/artists...they stick with what they know. With younger people, there are more children growing taller and bigger since there's more dairy and meat in the diet now, and more quick access to fast foods. They still focus a lot on exercise over there. From the first time you enter school at like three from the time you graduate, you have some form of exercise/gym class. In junior high school, it's mandatory to join a school club and if you join a sports club, you bet you're going to be doing a LOT of exercise, even during school vacation times and after school. So the way these kids look in this show, makes a whole lot of sense.

Either way, all that aside, it's story over representation by the author. The only thing really exaggerated in this series, is the fact that these kids have powers to begin with.
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Welp, I've just started this series. It's interesting so far. That All Might thing is just....wow!! That was just weird. I like this whole quirk thing, though. Wish I had one. I'd want telportation powers!

As for the female characters...I never once thought about this being very fanservicey. Also, all of the characters are out there fighting crime. You don't want a stereotypical, donut-eating cop type trying to fight as a superhero. They'd fair as well as Homer when he tried to run a block to catch Snake after Marge took off after him. It makes sense that all of the characters are slim or whatever since they're constantly working out or training in some way or form. Why is that a problem? Also, why would anyone compare themselves to an animated character anyway? I also like Momo. She's so adorable! She has a nice little figure and it's probably because she's short that she's shaped the way that she is. So she has big boobs, who cares? Why should anyone? Even the characters in the show, so far, don't. It's not like a silly subplot point like Lina in Slayers Next who was jealous of Amelia for being bustier than her. That aside, I do know one Japanese woman (I still call her Yuri-chan) who had that type of figure, though. Short, a little curvy, busty. She just had her second child a while back, though...so not sure she still has it, but who cares.

Also, just adding on, as someone who lived in Japan for nearly 7 1/2 years, it's rare to see many of them overweight. I could probably count on one hand how many I came across who would be considered "overweight" that I hung with on a semi-regular basis. I guess it's like most writers/artists...they stick with what they know. With younger people, there are more children growing taller and bigger since there's more dairy and meat in the diet now, and more quick access to fast foods. They still focus a lot on exercise over there. From the first time you enter school at like three from the time you graduate, you have some form of exercise/gym class. In junior high school, it's mandatory to join a school club and if you join a sports club, you bet you're going to be doing a LOT of exercise, even during school vacation times and after school. So the way these kids look in this show, makes a whole lot of sense.

Either way, all that aside, it's story over representation by the author. The only thing really exaggerated in this series, is the fact that these kids have powers to begin with.And here I thought you were "claustrophobic"!

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( Yaoyorozu is actually one of the tallest female characters. )

By the way, I have noticed the severe lack of women and girls in hero/villain occupations.

There are only around seven female pro-heroes. ( And even then, only half are continuously active throughout the story. )

There are only six female students in Class 1-A. Class 1-B isn't much better.

On the villain's side, only around six happen to be women. Only one is still active.

This is depressing.

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( Yaoyorozu is actually one of the tallest female characters. )

By the way, I have noticed the severe lack of women and girls in hero/villain occupations.

There are only around seven female pro-heroes. ( And even then, only half are continuously active throughout the story. )

There are only six female students in Class-1A. Class-1B isn't much better.

On the villain's side, only around six happen to be women. Only one is still active.

This is depressing.
Story over representation.
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Most of the women/girls either revolve around their male counterparts, or have no plotlines of their own.

Within Class 1-A, Uraraka and Ashido revolve around Midoriya and Kirishima respectively. Yaoyorozu and Jirou needed to be attached to Todoroki's and Kaminari's arcs. Hagakure and Asui don't have any introspective character development.

Of the Big Three, Hado is the only one who didn't get a backstory.

We see plenty of male pro-heroes who are still active throughout the storyline. I can't say the same for any female pro-heroes.

Even Toga has to be humanized through the usage of Bubaigawara's character.

In short, they lack narrative agency.

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Most of the women/girls either revolve around the male counterparts, or have no plotlines of their own.
You may need to rewatch/reread the series if you believe this.

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The only one of them who don't get development or story is Hagakure. Uraraka improves and tries to be the best she can be every time she is on screen. Yaotorozu multiple times is put in leadership and genius planner rulles. Jirou is shown that she wants to be a hero to inspire people and is put in charge of the consert. Asui goes out on a solo adventure and makes contacts that reappear later one. You might have more of an argument for Ashido, who is only given a little bit of backstory and whose bravery is an inspiration of Kirishima...but still steps in to save her friends in the backroung. You are right that the Invisible Girl is overlooked.

Lets compare this though...20 1-A students. 6 girls which is appropriate for a shonen manga, 1 of which has no development. Compared to 14 boys 7 of which have no real development (Ojoiro, Sato, Sero, Mineta, Tokayami, Koda and Shoji). Aoyama got development just to clear up a plot hole that was put out a long while ago. So... Yeah, the women per capita are getting more.

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We see plenty of male pro-heroes who are still active throughout the storyline. I can't say the same for any female pro-heroes.
Out of the prominent pro-heroes that make a difference, I dont think any of them really go away aside from being killed. They are secondary characters though so...yeah.

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In short, they lack narrative agency.
That's because his death is something that would directly interact with why she is a villian. Oh no, a characters death/injury influences another character... That is something that never happens in this show...
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But do most of them have multi-chapter arcs within the span of the storyline?

I feel that, besides a select few, most of them either have little to no development, or their development is sidelined/off-screened.
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