DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Oh, those spd's opinions...

Ye kinda forgets that Miller was likely a bigger factor then he thinks as to why this movie bombed. Although I do agree with spd about “superhero fatigue”

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There really isn't any way to replace Barry Allen actors in this without reshooting the whole movie again. He's in almost every shot and usually there is TWO of him. Of course, my preference would have been James Gunn coming in, casting his own Barry Allen, and reshooting or CGIing him Ezra's stead. At least then we'd know this is a Flash movie that is going to matter.

The thing is though around the time Miller was having “issues” the movie wasn’t anywhere near finished (correct me if im wrong ofc), so I feel they could’ve fired his dumbass and replaced him and ye maybe do some reshoots here and there and maybe things could’ve worked out. Gunn coming and and completely redoing the movie wouldn’t have made sense as when Gunn & friends came in to take control of things, the movie was already completed (again correct me if I’m wrong ofc).

[Coola Yagami]

No such thing as superhero fatigue. Just BAD superhero movie fatigue.

Reminds of when people said the same thing and then Joker made bank.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

No such thing as superhero fatigue. Just BAD superhero movie fatigue.

Reminds of when people said the same thing and then Joker made bank.

Joker is'nt a superhero.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

No such thing as superhero fatigue. Just BAD superhero movie fatigue.

Reminds of when people said the same thing and then Joker made bank.

How about "genre fatigue" then?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Joker is'nt a superhero.

Shhh. Don't tell him that

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

How about "genre fatigue" then

"XYZ Fatigue" is a Hollywood buzzword used to exonerate themselves from poorly made products that people don't want to see. As an entry into the public lexicon, it goes as far back as Star Trek: Nemesis and it's pure marketing.

Most of these properties with cult followings and hardcore fanbases will always make money even if the general public doesn't always get on board. "xyz Fatigue" is mostly Hollywood marketing that there is no reason to embrace and every reason to reject and point the finger back at them.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by IMJ

"XYZ Fatigue" is a Hollywood buzzword used to exonerate themselves from poorly made products that people don't want to see. As an entry into the public lexicon, it goes as far back as Star Trek: Nemesis and it's pure marketing.

Most of these properties with cult followings and hardcore fanbases will always make money even if the general public doesn't always get on board. "xyz Fatigue" is mostly Hollywood marketing that there is no reason to embrace and every reason to reject and point the finger back at them.

I agree to an extent, the new Guardians of the Galaxy or Spider-Man are still making good money and show that well-made films still get a good reception, both critically and audience-wise. A couple of years ago even the crappier films would have made more money though because the whole superhero hype hadn't peaked yet. After the numbers the last Avengers or No Way Home made, I don't see the superhero "genre" breaking many more records and this is definitely also a result of a general fatigue of these kind of films.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I agree to an extent, the new Guardians of the Galaxy or Spider-Man are still making good money and show that well-made films still get a good reception, both critically and audience-wise. A couple of years ago even the crappier films would have made more money though because the whole superhero hype hadn't peaked yet. After the numbers the last Avengers or No Way Home made, I don't see the superhero "genre" breaking many more records and this is definitely also a result of a general fatigue of these kind of films.

Yeah - I mean people definitely get tired of a genre after a while. But that doesn't mean that the bottom ever drops out completely. When the bottom does drop out, Hollywood blames "xyz fatigue" instead of looking at the content of their films (Dial of Destiny), or the absolutely abysmal special effects that fail fans (The Flash: Flashpoint), or the ongoing diminishment in quality regardless of whether agenda has a hand in that or not (generally the last 2 years of Marvel output).

So you know - people are always looking for the most easily digestible information that encapsulates something. "Franchise Fatigue". But things with cult followings only ever fail miserably when there is a bigger problem with the content, not the property itself.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

How about "genre fatigue" then?

No because whenever an actual good superhero movie comes out, suddenly the 'fatigue' disappears. Where was this fatigue during No Way Home?


Shhh. Don't tell him that

Still a comic book character, still falls within the genre. I mean if you want to be that technical, the Suicide Squad and Guardians of the Galaxy aren't exactly superheroes.

[Sumac]

There is definitely a comic book movies fatique. Not in the last since Marvel and DC outputs mostly sucked in the last few years. It doesn't mean CBM will die out this instant, but they will be relegated to a less prestigious slot.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

There is definitely a comic book movies fatique. Not in the last since Marvel and DC outputs mostly sucked in the last few years. It doesn't mean CBM will die out this instant, but they will be relegated to a less prestigious slot.

Yeah but again, it's mostly because it's been bomb after bomb after bomb. The last objectively good one has been Far From Home. Anything that has come after has ranged from just awful like Morbius and Eternals to ho-hum boring like Black Adam and Antman 3.

I mean I guess enough people liked Spiderverse?

Might be time to get a new contender that isn't Marvel of DC. It's too bad there isn't something like Spawn or The Crow or something coming out. Hell the Turtles movie could have been it, but we already know what kinda shitshow that's gonna be.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah but again, it's mostly because it's been bomb after bomb after bomb. The last objectively good one has been Far From Home. Anything that has come after has ranged from just awful like Morbius and Eternals to ho-hum boring like Black Adam and Antman 3.

I mean I guess enough people liked Spiderverse?

Might be time to get a new contender that isn't Marvel of DC. It's too bad there isn't something like Spawn or The Crow or something coming out. Hell the Turtles movie could have been it, but we already know what kinda shitshow that's gonna be.

Bomb after bomb is what kills the genre. Spiderverse is an animated movie, so its kind of in league of its own.

As for a new contender, I don't think it is possible to challenge DC / Marvel right now. Unless someone comes up with absolute fantastic movie, like Dark Knight or something, but I don't see it.

[Sumac]

Apparently Flash has now a dubious honor of being the biggest comic book movie flop.
Libk

Top-10 CBM failures:
The Flash - $200m
Shazam! Fury of the Gods - $150m
Wonder Woman 1984 - $137m
Dark Phoenix - $133m
The Suicide Squad - $130m
Black Adam - $100m
Fantastic Four - $100m
RIPD - $92m
The New Mutants - $84m
Green Lantern - $75m

WB / DC certainty has some special people working on it. S I guess hiring and keeping Miller around makes sense. Also, happy that Batman and Robin is not on the list, lol.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised The Suicide Squad lost so much money, I thought it did well. That's weird.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised The Suicide Squad lost so much money, I thought it did well. That's weird.

It came out when theaters were pretty freshly reopening so it might have been a bit of that. Plus general confusion from people. "Why are they re-releasing Suicide Squad?" and so on.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It came out when theaters were pretty freshly reopening so it might have been a bit of that. Plus general confusion from people. "Why are they re-releasing Suicide Squad?" and so on.

If there was “confusion” then clearly those confused people has no bloody brain cells

[Autbot_Benz]

I finally watched The Flash.

I ****ing loved this movie . Micheal Keaton was fantastic. Hasn't lost a step. I loved the nods to the Burtonverse.I loved the nod to Michael Gough's Alfred with the pen. I didn't expect to see the Joker laugh bag from the end of 89 batman. Also The Bat Ruler made me chuckle. Yes this Keaton was more agile but I say that's with him getting older and more experienced.

Main Ezra was ok Flashpoint Ezra got annoying. Supergirl was good too. I thought Affleck was great too.

Now I wanna see a Nic Cage Superman movie.